# Rename Hardcore trait **URL:** \ **Category:** The Drawing Board\ **Created:** [October 29, 2013, 10:50am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rename-hardcore-trait/3701 "2013-10-29T10:50:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1

**Author:** ![infectedmochi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/infectedmochi/32/206_2.png) [@infectedmochi](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/infectedmochi)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 10:50am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rename-hardcore-trait/3701/1 "2013-10-29T10:50:32Z")

I think we should change the Hardcore trait’s name to something else, “hardcore” here refer to the fact that the human player is playing in hardcore mode (aka super-hard mode) and while in the game world the character with this trait will have a hard time too, it’s different because one is playing a hard game and other is struggling for survival with a severe disadvantage. I suggest a more “in universe” name, something that reflect the character - not the player. My suggestions: Frail, Fragile, Feeble. ---

**Author:** ![AseaHeru](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/aseaheru/32/8_2.png) [@AseaHeru](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/AseaHeru)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 12:16pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rename-hardcore-trait/3701/2 "2013-10-29T12:16:04Z")

I like Frail. ---

**Author:** ![youtoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/779978/32.png) [@youtoo](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/youtoo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rename-hardcore-trait/3701/3 "2013-10-29T14:13:45Z")

‘losing is fun’ ---

**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/cataclysmdda/original/1X/21b5d044e8473b25d0bf905d60477e25f6fbe0cf.png) [@system](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 2:16pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rename-hardcore-trait/3701/4 "2013-10-29T14:16:47Z")

Maybe “Distrophic”? ---

**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 3:02pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rename-hardcore-trait/3701/5 "2013-10-29T15:02:06Z")

I was thinking “Fragile”, but I think “Frail” is better now that I see it. > [@trusty\_patches](#): > > Maybe “Distrophic”? No need to be Sesquipedalian 😉 More seriously, that’s getting a bit too clinical, to the point where I’d start to care about depicting it accurately. ---

**Author:** ![ShinQuickMan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/shinquickman/32/2516_2.png) [@ShinQuickMan](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ShinQuickMan)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rename-hardcore-trait/3701/6 "2013-10-29T19:23:47Z")

It’s a big stretch, but what about renaming it to “Just A Kid”? It’s a lot easier to justify frailty if we assume the survivor is only the size of a child themselves, though I’m all too aware of the other benefits/drawbacks that should also entail (higher recoil with guns, no access to big two-handed weapons, difficulty reaching things on counters, more hiding places, it just goes on). But hey, it’s also a vague reference to a notoriously difficult game, so that’s a plus I suppose. ---

**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:33pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rename-hardcore-trait/3701/7 "2013-10-29T19:33:49Z")

“Just a kid” would be an option for its own trait, but I think frail is work having its own entry. Another nice thing is the player can decide for themselves what frail means exactly. ---

**Author:** ![i2amroy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/i2amroy/32/909_2.png) [@i2amroy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/i2amroy)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rename-hardcore-trait/3701/8 "2013-10-29T19:39:10Z")

Yeah, “Frail” would probably be the best name to change it to. ---

**Author:** ![Rivet](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/rivet/32/11_2.png) [@Rivet](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Rivet)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rename-hardcore-trait/3701/9 "2013-10-29T19:45:41Z")

Frail? That works, I suppose. Personally, I’d have gone with wimp. ---

**Author:** ![infectedmochi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/infectedmochi/32/206_2.png) [@infectedmochi](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/infectedmochi)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 10:30am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rename-hardcore-trait/3701/10 "2013-10-30T10:30:39Z")

Wimp sounds good, actually. Though my main suggestion is still for Frail. ---

**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 2:28pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rename-hardcore-trait/3701/11 "2013-10-30T14:28:01Z")

Wimp to me suggests a lack of strength as well as a lack of toughness, frail just implies the lack of toughness. Also Wimp seems more of a pejorative term to me, where frail is simply descriptive.