# Regarding tilesets and visual clarity

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/regarding-tilesets-and-visual-clarity/3081>\
**Category:** The Drawing Board\
**Created:** [September 17, 2013, 1:07pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/regarding-tilesets-and-visual-clarity/3081 "2013-09-17T13:07:39Z")\
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**Author:** ![kenoxite](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kenoxite/32/858_2.png) [@kenoxite](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kenoxite)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 1:07pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/regarding-tilesets-and-visual-clarity/3081/1 "2013-09-17T13:07:39Z")

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This relates to both tilesets so far (those by Deon and SirHoder), so I thought it’d be better to create a single thread instead of posting in their respective ones.

After playing for those two for a good while I’m finding that the raw text representation is still better for a simple reason: clarity.

In the text version every element (background tiles, items, mobs, etc) is clearly isolated and identified at a simple glance. I’m finding myself in many situations where that’s not the case in either tileset. I’m aware that learning what is what in each one is part of the problem, but even after successfully climbing that small learning curve I’ve found that the issue remains.

If you don’t mind, here are some suggestions that would help to improve the visual clarity of both tielsets:

- Separate the color palettes for both static elements (background tiles, buildings, etc) and “active” elements (mobs, items, etc). Ideally, more primary colors should be used for the latter. That would make them stand out more.

- Provide a black outline for mobs, be it partial or total. This would help making them stand out even further.

- More clear differentiations between mobs. Not only in shape, but also in coloring. Right now, most mobs of the same class (such as zombies, or dogs, wolves and cougars) are mostly the same. Or, more exactly, they look mostly the same unless you pay particular attention. Which brings us back to the problem of clarity.

I’m aware that this would need a total rework of most tiles and, heck, the authors may not even agree, so I don’t expect this will be taken in consideration. But I hope anyone planning on creating a new one does, as it would make tilesets equal or even superior to text in almost all aspects.

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**Author:** ![i2amroy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/i2amroy/32/909_2.png) [@i2amroy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/i2amroy)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 3:17pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/regarding-tilesets-and-visual-clarity/3081/2 "2013-09-17T15:17:55Z")

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As you have said, it’s up to the authors. We just make the support and include some of the more prominent tilesets, it’s up to the community to create tilesets that work well and are nice on the eyes.

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**Author:** ![kenoxite](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kenoxite/32/858_2.png) [@kenoxite](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kenoxite)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:16pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/regarding-tilesets-and-visual-clarity/3081/3 "2013-09-17T16:16:37Z")

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Yes, I guess this could lead to some misinterpretation, being this place more centered towards the main development of the game. But it was actually a suggestion, so I thought it was the more appropriate place.

Also, it seems that I forgot to mention that I actually like both tilesets. Each one has their own strengths and, while there’s IMO the problem I mentioned, I’ll surely go back to them from time to time. So, kudos to them both!

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**Author:** ![Shadowdarke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@Shadowdarke](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Shadowdarke)\
**Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 11:56pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/regarding-tilesets-and-visual-clarity/3081/4 "2013-09-18T23:56:20Z")

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I find that if you darken all the ground tiles in SirHoder’s set to 50% of their current brightness it greatly enhances visibility. Monsters and items now “pop” visually so there is no need for outlines.

Demo tiles here: [http://shadowdarke.byondhome.com/library/hodertiles.png](http://shadowdarke.byondhome.com/library/hodertiles.png)

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**Author:** ![Zireael](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zireael/32/956_2.png) [@Zireael](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zireael)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 7:37am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/regarding-tilesets-and-visual-clarity/3081/5 "2013-09-19T07:37:33Z")

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[quote=“Shadowdarke, post:4, topic:3081”]I find that if you darken all the ground tiles in SirHoder’s set to 50% of their current brightness it greatly enhances visibility. Monsters and items now “pop” visually so there is no need for outlines.

Demo tiles here: [http://shadowdarke.byondhome.com/library/hodertiles.png[/quote]](http://shadowdarke.byondhome.com/library/hodertiles.png%5B/quote%5D)

Could you post this in SirHoder’s thread?

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**Author:** ![moist\_zombie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/moist_zombie/32/131_2.png) [@moist\_zombie](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/moist_zombie)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 8:35am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/regarding-tilesets-and-visual-clarity/3081/6 "2013-09-19T08:35:30Z")

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I usually end up (cheaply) darkening the ground and wall tiles a bit on lots of tilesets 😃