# Plumbum and...Copper

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/plumbum-and-copper/12054>\
**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [June 17, 2016, 11:07am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/plumbum-and-copper/12054 "2016-06-17T11:07:38Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![vivat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/vivat/32/98_2.png) [@vivat](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/vivat)\
**Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 11:07am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/plumbum-and-copper/12054/1 "2016-06-17T11:07:38Z")

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why lead so simply to get - from usual metal junk  
but copper so hard to find?

hardly need more copper  
it for 5.45 NATO. hell of copper tubes i need.  
.223 need copper too - but many less.

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**Author:** ![Rot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/rot/32/454_2.png) [@Rot](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Rot)\
**Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 1:23pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/plumbum-and-copper/12054/2 "2016-06-17T13:23:05Z")

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Smash refrigerators for copper tubes or whatever.

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**Author:** ![Solusphere](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/solusphere/32/66_2.png) [@Solusphere](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Solusphere)\
**Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 2:36pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/plumbum-and-copper/12054/3 "2016-06-17T14:36:55Z")

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Yeah, for maximum copper, find a Grocery Store, and dismantle all the refrigerators. You’ll get 20+ copper tubes from each store.

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**Author:** ![vivat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/vivat/32/98_2.png) [@vivat](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/vivat)\
**Post date:** [June 18, 2016, 8:30am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/plumbum-and-copper/12054/4 "2016-06-18T08:30:59Z")

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aha. thanks.  
i forgot about that

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**Author:** ![TheWumpus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/thewumpus/32/263_2.png) [@TheWumpus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheWumpus)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/plumbum-and-copper/12054/5 "2016-06-29T02:55:18Z")

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I have to admit I’m kind of confused at the requirement for copper tubing for most reloads. I hand load (9mm, .45 acp, .45 colt and .454 casull in pistol, 7.62x54r, .223, and .308 in rifle) and I’ve never had to use any. The only thing I can think of is in actual jacketing/plating of bullets, or the manufacture of gas checks, but since both are fairly complex processes that require specialized equipment and machining tools I fail to see how it applies to reloading in game. Of course if we actually had to go and find (or cast, which would require molds, and a tool for sizing, and a lube compound) bullets of the correct size/weight/composition/shape I suspect it would become needlessly complex.