# Pipe = Too stronk?
**URL:** https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/pipe-too-stronk/4329
**Category:** The Drawing Board
**Created:** [December 1, 2013, 2:53pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/pipe-too-stronk/4329 "2013-12-01T14:53:59Z")
**Posts on this page:** 9
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### Author:  [@Jakers](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Jakers)
#### Post date: [December 1, 2013, 2:53pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/pipe-too-stronk/4329/1 "2013-12-01T14:53:59Z")
Hi, I’m a big fan of cataclysm.
When I start a new world, usually I smash up the locker, grab the pipe and I know I’m set for a weapon. What annoys me is that this weapon will sustain me for quite a while; it has 16 bash and a +3 hit bonus. I’m sorry if it’s been mentioned before, but I think this is a little too strong and kind of removes the point of building your own makeshift weapons like 2-by-swords, nail boards and nail knuckles which I would like to use, but the pipe is much better than all those weapons.
If it was to get a nerf, maybe turn its bash to 11 and a +1 hit bonus? This would make making things like 2-by-swords and nords a good idea, and would also improve nail boards significance.
Just a small idea, sorry if it has already been suggested.
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### Author:  [@Luissen](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Luissen)
#### Post date: [December 1, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/pipe-too-stronk/4329/2 "2013-12-01T15:16:19Z")
[Search “Pipe”](http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=4451.0;topicseen)
I’m glad you are concerned about the game, but this subject has been rehashed and trolled a bunch. I agree its pretty OP compared to the effort put in to get it, but the search function works. If you find anything else you’re concerned about that doesn’t have a topic, feel free to make one
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### Author:  [@Jakers](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Jakers)
#### Post date: [December 1, 2013, 3:33pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/pipe-too-stronk/4329/3 "2013-12-01T15:33:51Z")
Oh, didn’t realize about the search function, sorry about that!
Just a little… well maybe very new to this forum and I absolutely hated the pipe’s op-ness, although in reality yes it would make a pretty decent weapon… but I’m pretty sure it would take more than 2 or 3 whacks to kill something like a wolf with it.
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### Author:  [@Birdie](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Birdie)
#### Post date: [December 1, 2013, 5:43pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/pipe-too-stronk/4329/4 "2013-12-01T17:43:25Z")
I kinda really agree with this, craftable weapons should generally be better then something you just mash yourself against locker to obtain. Jakers’ proposed damage/to-hit bonus seems like a good change.
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### Author:  [@John\_Candlebury](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/John_Candlebury)
#### Post date: [December 1, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/pipe-too-stronk/4329/5 "2013-12-01T17:46:10Z")
It already got nerfed some days ago.
Are you guys playing exeprimentals?
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### Author:  [@Jakers](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Jakers)
#### Post date: [December 2, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/pipe-too-stronk/4329/6 "2013-12-02T20:16:08Z")
I’m pretty sure I’m not…
EDIT: Just checked the latest version and it’s still got the same bash + to hit values.
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### Author:  [@Oragepoilu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Oragepoilu)
#### Post date: [December 2, 2013, 11:06pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/pipe-too-stronk/4329/7 "2013-12-02T23:06:16Z")
1320-g06809a9
b12 sp102 hit+1
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### Author:  [@Cherry](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Cherry)
#### Post date: [December 2, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/pipe-too-stronk/4329/8 "2013-12-02T23:12:34Z")
AKA this was already fixed.
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### Author:  [@Jakers](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Jakers)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/pipe-too-stronk/4329/9 "2013-12-03T19:03:29Z")
[glow=yellow,2,300]Now all we need is it to come with the stable release![/glow]