# Permanent debt after NPC gives a "free" item

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/permanent-debt-after-npc-gives-a-free-item/17164>\
**Category:** The Garage\
**Created:** [October 25, 2018, 3:39pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/permanent-debt-after-npc-gives-a-free-item/17164 "2018-10-25T15:39:12Z")\
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**Author:** ![Tamior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/41988e/32.png) [@Tamior](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Tamior)\
**Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 3:39pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/permanent-debt-after-npc-gives-a-free-item/17164/1 "2018-10-25T15:39:12Z")

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Let’s say I ask an NPC to give me a free item because I’m doing a quest for that NPC.  
Let’s say that item costs 50$.  
Now EVERY TIME I got into trading with said NPC, I start the trade with 50$ debt.

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**Author:** ![mlangsdorf](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/mlangsdorf/32/2462_2.png) [@mlangsdorf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/mlangsdorf)\
**Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/permanent-debt-after-npc-gives-a-free-item/17164/2 "2018-10-25T19:46:59Z")

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Yes? And? He gave you something, he feels you’re in his debt until you pay it back.

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**Author:** ![Trigon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/trigon/32/2668_2.png) [@Trigon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Trigon)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 12:18am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/permanent-debt-after-npc-gives-a-free-item/17164/3 "2018-10-26T00:18:30Z")

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There’s no credit companies anymore. If you turn him into jerky it’s a net profit.

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**Author:** ![Tamior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/41988e/32.png) [@Tamior](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Tamior)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 7:09am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/permanent-debt-after-npc-gives-a-free-item/17164/4 "2018-10-26T07:09:05Z")

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> [@mlangsdorf](#):
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> Yes? And? He gave you something, he feels you’re in his debt until you pay it back.

Not only is that a pretty bizarre logic, but the real issue is, it’s not “until you pay back”. It’s PERMANENT. Every time you trade you start with the debt even if you already payed it during one of the previous trades.

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**Author:** ![Krystal\_Winters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a87d85/32.png) [@Krystal\_Winters](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Krystal_Winters)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 4:52am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/permanent-debt-after-npc-gives-a-free-item/17164/5 "2018-12-11T04:52:44Z")

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This is still happening. I have a 680 debt to the refugee trader that doesnt go away

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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 6:11am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/permanent-debt-after-npc-gives-a-free-item/17164/6 "2018-12-11T06:11:57Z")

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In the apocalypse, why not just eat all your debts away? No point in wasting food after all…

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**Author:** ![Ricky\_Van](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/ricky_van/32/4666_2.png) [@Ricky\_Van](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Ricky_Van)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 6:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/permanent-debt-after-npc-gives-a-free-item/17164/7 "2018-12-12T18:55:10Z")

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in apocalypse, debt is like “i borrow this” then the owner say “its yours” …

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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/permanent-debt-after-npc-gives-a-free-item/17164/8 "2018-12-12T19:42:31Z")

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Hmm, that’s pretty much correct.