Permadeath-be-gone. Let's talk about enabling respawning

Valpo · 2016-09-30T17:20:34.000Z

I always kill myself with the plasmalauncher in subterrain with perma death after 3 days of playing. I regret nothing.

Straume21 · 2016-09-30T17:33:18.000Z

My opinion on the topic of respawning is really odd. I sometimes savescum (which is basically cata’s version of checkpoints), but it depends on the character. Sometimes I’ll set rules for myself for specific characters, such as, you can only savescum for the first day/until you get your first gun/until you get a base, and for some characters I just play clean and die within the first hour as the developers intended.

I’ve experimented with reloading the same character into the same world when I die, but that can lead to my characters finding their own corpses, which is kind of cheaty…

Arkenstone · 2016-09-30T20:44:40.000Z

I vote against respawning. To the extent that it is needed, just use the savegame backup in case of death by programming bug or something ridiculous.

Pthalocy · 2016-09-30T23:08:13.000Z

I’m generally against making saves tied into game mechanics, unless the game is designed from the start to function with that in mind. CDDA was built from it’s roots with save-on-quit and permadeath as the save mechanic of choice.

Example of save/respawn mechanics-tied-to-gameplay working well due to preplanning: Dark Souls

Example of why tying save mechanics to gameplay after the fact is a way to make everyone angry: The entire section of bethesda’s forums dedicated to Fallout 4’s ‘Survival mode’, which features saving disabled except for when you sleep. This feature nearly started world war four over how saving ought to/ought not to be implemented and I don’t think anybody came out happy.

tl;dr: It’d be too much work to get right with the current setup.

You’d have to overhaul a significant portion of CDDA’s game style to make a saving feature balanced, reasonable, intuitive, or even remotely desirable by the majority of the userbase. I am not opposed to a new gameplay type, but build the new gametype around the save function, don’t build the save function into the current game.

latogato · 2016-10-01T08:20:00.000Z

I’m against it. It is a roguelike game, permadeath makes the choices meaningful. Many aspect of the game is already a babysitting, it would be just another nail in the coffin.

If there would be a story then i could accept very rare, one time resurrection items as it is in the nethack and the don’t starve games, but without story the resurrection has no meaning because you don’t have to risk your life purposively.

The13thRonin · 2016-10-01T08:39:45.000Z

Losing be-gone… Lets talk about an insta-win button…

Facepalm.

Lharson_Smith · 2016-10-01T16:33:49.000Z

heh

Treah · 2016-10-05T17:38:07.000Z

I just wish you could save without having to exit the game. Right now you either have to save exit quit and then launch again or you have to turn on to be asked to save before sleeping. Honestly if there was a save before sleeping but don’t ask me option I would use it.

Valpo · 2016-10-05T17:48:47.000Z

There is. You ll have to bind it to a key though because it isn t by default.

Treah · 2016-10-05T18:07:33.000Z

HEHE latest build has it in the new [esc] triggered options screen. I found it because i was looking for options which has been moved. But there she is a quicksave

snow_dwarf · 2016-10-08T12:18:10.000Z

[quote=“The13thRonin, post:16, topic:12503”]Losing be-gone… Lets talk about an insta-win button…

Facepalm.[/quote]

Press [shift] than [q] and [y] twice. Insta-win button…

BeerBeer · 2016-10-08T15:50:36.000Z

This thread is really about having a proper and traditional save system, with multiple save slots. Quicksave and the ‘esc’ menu are welcome additions.

Grandpuh_Ty · 2016-10-08T18:26:47.000Z

BeerBeer:

This thread is really about having a proper and traditional save system, with multiple save slots. Quicksave and the ‘esc’ menu are welcome additions.

I wouldn’t mind a quicksave button, although there already in an autosave feature in the options. Multiple save slots are already a thing, they’re just saved with different characters

John_Candlebury · 2016-10-08T18:29:15.000Z

Grandpuh Ty:

[quote=“BeerBeer, post:22, topic:12503”]This thread is really about having a proper and traditional save system, with multiple save slots. Quicksave and the ‘esc’ menu are welcome additions.

I wouldn’t mind a quicksave button, although there already in an autosave feature in the options. Multiple save slots are already a thing, they’re just saved with different characters ;)[/quote]

There is a quicksave button, I think its either enter or you need to add a keybinding to it.

pisskop · 2016-10-08T18:48:26.000Z

I set it to Q, because suicide is not my style. Id only kill myself in situations where my death was inevitable anyway.

Valpo · 2016-10-08T19:55:08.000Z

Grandpuh Ty:

[quote=“BeerBeer, post:22, topic:12503”]This thread is really about having a proper and traditional save system, with multiple save slots. Quicksave and the ‘esc’ menu are welcome additions.

I wouldn’t mind a quicksave button, although there already in an autosave feature in the options. Multiple save slots are already a thing, they’re just saved with different characters ;)[/quote]

Same question has already been asked an answered on the same page in this thread.

Pthalocy · 2016-10-09T22:28:47.000Z

I was unaware of the quicksave feature, and Q is just … man I die so fast I never need the Q button. I’mma rebind that. Thanks!

Arek_PL · 2016-10-10T08:42:22.000Z

actualy now you can save scumm anyway by take out character of graveyard, copying your world to make worldwide save (so no death character next to that living character) or just character (to save time)

Pthalocy · 2016-10-10T12:53:23.000Z

I’ve been savescumming since the dawn of time, but largely for messing around in worlds I’m not doing honest runs in. Only really one way to see how bad lava is.

Litppunk · 2016-10-10T23:41:21.000Z

My game crashes have been save scumming me recently. Saved my NPC who I forgot I can’t call out of battle in ANY way. Other than that… I don’t really do it… I had quick-save hotkeyed to (FN)FUN+ALT+S, but since I don’t ever use suicide, I might switch it to that, even if it might be less fun than FuNction.