Passive regen without sleep: Do we want it?

[Litppunk]

its a game enhanced real thing. IRL we heal over time, just not as fast as in-game. Really though, I just needed some catchy terms to differentiate them. The mutations etc. that make characters heal at super speeds (even for a game-time) are different they are mutations and thus excused from even attempting to look like reality.

[Mr_Moustache]

Speaking of mutations and traits, I have Attison’s Disease, a rare disorder of the adrenal gland which causes it to basically not function at all, especially if I were to break an arm or start bleeding profusely from a wound. I carry a shot of adrenaline at all times because I cannot produce enough on my own, if I were unable to inject myself in the case of major trauma, there would be nothing to do that would stop me from dying. See where this is going? I do.
!!FUN!! new starting trait! Regen revisements completely change gameplay if such a trait were to exist, adding so much !!FUN!! to the game to be enjoyed!
And yeah, I think slow regen should be implemented, but I think there should be a limit on how much injuries it can heal, like it only working on green or yellow body parts, because, like people already said, a paper-cut and a knife cut don’t heal in the same amount of time.

[pisskop]

Id love to have allergic reactions and attisons.

Finally, we could use those bees! for real good.

[baldamundo]

Yeah, don’t think it matters too much if there’s limited regen while awake. Honestly I’d personally like to see as hardcore (and realistic) an injury system as possible - where getting wounded is a big deal and is going to leave you wanting to limp about, licking your wounds and being extremely careful for some time.

Having limited passive regen actually I think helps that, because it means spending a lot of downtime crafting/reading/driving/etc makes sense when you’re injured, rather than just knocking yourself unconscious for an entire week and suddenly waking up magically fixed. Which honestly is a bit silly.

[Litppunk]

Im sensing to mods here:
1: You don’t regen at all and use items for all your regens
2: You regen SOOOO slow.

Both would be considered “harder” than standard play-through I think. Although, with normal item spawns item regen might actually be easier…

[pisskop]

I simply want less healing for sleep and well, you already can nerf down the instahealing items via item overrides.

If we have passive healing via nonbionics and nonmutation it needs to be limited (to either shallow wounds or very very slow or for ‘comfy’ bedrest) and it should also be subject to health.

[Coolthulhu]

I simply want less healing for sleep and well, you already can nerf down the instahealing items via item overrides.

That’s not a solution at all. Healing items aren’t broken because they heal too much, but because you can stack them indefinitely.

[Neonwarrior]

That’s not a solution at all. Healing items aren’t broken because they heal too much, but because you can stack them indefinitely.

Right, it doesn’t make much sense to use 25 bandages in a row to keep healing yourself, but it also doesn’t make sense to not have such items in the game for you to heal yourself with. Putting a second bandage on top of the previous one doesn’t do anything, though. I still think that bandages need to not heal at all, or perhaps only heal a percentage of lost HP.

But to solve the broken healing items, perhaps go the Project Zomboid route and have a wound heal over time when a body part is bandaged/first aid kit is applied—the body part would be listed/colored as “bandaged,” and applying more than one bandage/first aid kit does nothing. Or just give a simple diminishing return when healing items are used repeatedly in a short period of time to encourage a higher first aid skill rather than just infinite healing items.

Or implement an actual wound and medical system on top of the binary HP system like I suggested. Debuffs, max HP reductions, specific health effects related to injuries. That sort of thing. Perhaps even give the ability to instantly gain some HP back when you perform a successful treatment (like setting a broken limb) as an alternative to using health items. Health items can still be used the same way as before, but the debuffs an injury would give limits their effectiveness until the injury is treated.

[Litppunk]

now your getting to far into the “realism” side of things. assume for every “day” you spend healing you actually just spent 6. For tedium purposes you can even assume you applied 6X the bandages over the coarse of that time period.
It can stay a little “gamey” it just needs to be consistent.

[Neonwarrior]

[quote=“Litppunk, post:127, topic:12896”]now your getting to far into the “realism” side of things. assume for every “day” you spend healing you actually just spent 6. For tedium purposes you can even assume you applied 6X the bandages over the coarse of that time period.
It can stay a little “gamey” it just needs to be consistent.[/quote]

I honestly have no idea what you’re trying to say here. Assume every day = six days? Consistent? What? Are you replying to me?

[pisskop]

42/32 for/against atm

that gap.

[BeerBeer]

F**k it. Make it a mod or an option in the settings.

[DeclanFrost]

You all are thinking about nefing heal speeds and I’m over here dying of an infected booboo from a Goddamn coyote.

[pisskop]

I do think we should make liquor a really crappy disinfectant. Like maybe mixing it with cauterization would boost pain and disinfect chance?

I should look up the IRL effectiveness of cleansing with liquor and fire together. Gotta hurt

[Litppunk]

[quote=“Neonwarrior, post:128, topic:12896”][quote=“Litppunk, post:127, topic:12896”]now your getting to far into the “realism” side of things. assume for every “day” you spend healing you actually just spent 6. For tedium purposes you can even assume you applied 6X the bandages over the coarse of that time period.
It can stay a little “gamey” it just needs to be consistent.[/quote]

I honestly have no idea what you’re trying to say here. Assume every day = six days? Consistent? What? Are you replying to me?[/quote]

As I posted earlier default season length is 14 days. Aprox 1/2 of a month or 1/6 of a RL season (~3 months = 1 season) so we only play ~ 1/6th of the time our character lives of the year. If we scale everything time wise up by that much on healing etc. Things smooth out a little better. We can assume character goes to the bathroom etc… in the “days” we don’t play them too if your the kind of person that feels the need to get hyper realistic about things for “reasons” thus we have lore reasons for not needing to implement lots of things. 5/6ths of the “days” are spent doing random tedious chores that no one wants to play through.

[Shadow86]

I’ve only recently resumed playing C:DDA after something like 5 years, since before the original developer quit, so I’ll lend my mostly outside perspective, based on my knowledge of RPGs and such.

Firstly, I’d maintain healing only through sleep or idle rest. Significant wounds just don’t heal if the body keeps being exerted, and many quasi-serious RPG systems therefore adopt rest-only healing.

The specifics of healing speed are debatable, but personally I’d get rid of most instant-healing items per se. You get wounded and given certain gravity, the wound’s only going to get worse unless it receives treatment. Healing items such as bandages, disinfectant, first aid kits et all would be part of such treatment, perhaps a hidden roll aided by such items and the player’s skill. Come rest, how much the wound heals in a given amount of time would depend on how well-executed the treatment was.

That’d be the central system, and I’d restrict exceptions to the more outlandish, high-end tools players have at their disposal, like sci-fi items and mutations. Something like a nanobandage could provide rapid healing even without rest, or some regenerative mutation could have a similar, slower effect regardless of rest. But if you get shot/cut/bitten, in normal circumstances the best you should be able to do in the fray is bandage up to staunch the bleeding and pop some painkillers to keep going as effectively as possible until you find the time and place to rest and recover.

[Neonwarrior]

As I posted earlier default season length is 14 days. Aprox 1/2 of a month or 1/6 of a RL season (~3 months = 1 season) so we only play ~ 1/6th of the time our character lives of the year. If we scale everything time wise up by that much on healing etc. Things smooth out a little better. We can assume character goes to the bathroom etc… in the “days” we don’t play them too if your the kind of person that feels the need to get hyper realistic about things for “reasons” thus we have lore reasons for not needing to implement lots of things. 5/6ths of the “days” are spent doing random tedious chores that no one wants to play through.

Oh sorry, I skipped over your posts because they’re just a grammatical mess and lack structure.

But from what I can piece together, you’re saying that regen makes sense because time is accelerated in CDDA? Sorry, but I don’t think my character is lying around doing nothing for 5/6ths of the time when I’m in direct control for all of it. It also doesn’t change the fact that health items still act as instant health potions and that the whole health/medical system could use an overhaul.

The seasons are 14 days because it would be tedious to wait 365 days just to get to the next year. I could change the season length to 1/4th of that just to make it realistic and that still wouldn’t change how the game works.

[pisskop]

Hes saying that fast healing is good because waiting is tedious. Thus passive regen would also be good because it simulates 36 seconds to a turn.

Buuuut Im not on that board. Ive suggested that hp heal faster the more of it you have. Ill suggest it again.

[Litppunk]

^ that sounds perfectly reasonable.

Mostly what I’ve been trying to say, is that almost any semi-reasonable passive regen, would be acceptable because “lore” wise, the character’s spend 5/6ths not doing “nothing” but instead doing menial chores and tasks that you would not want to play through: bathroom breaks, taking off and reapplying bandages etc…

What I said earlier, is that the game should choose ‘passive Regen over time’ or ‘instant Regen items’ as its healing standard instead of trying to use both simultaneously, and just making things feel awkward. Then, the losing healing variant should be made a supported mod.

My apologies If my writing is a bit hard to read. My thoughts are chaotic, and I HATE rereading things I’ve already read/written unless I think they are REALLY good. My grammar, and such take a pretty nasty hit because of that.

[Neonwarrior]

[quote=“Litppunk, post:137, topic:12896”]^ that sounds perfectly reasonable.

Mostly what I’ve been trying to say, is that almost any semi-reasonable passive regen, would be acceptable because “lore” wise, the character’s spend 5/6ths not doing “nothing” but instead doing menial chores and tasks that you would not want to play through: bathroom breaks, taking off and reapplying bandages etc…

What I said earlier, is that the game should choose ‘passive Regen over time’ or ‘instant Regen items’ as its healing standard instead of trying to use both simultaneously, and just making things feel awkward. Then, the losing healing variant should be made a supported mod.

My apologies If my writing is a bit hard to read. My thoughts are chaotic, and I HATE rereading things I’ve already read/written unless I think they are REALLY good. My grammar, and such take a pretty nasty hit because of that.[/quote]

Alright, I understand now. Thanks for the clarification. I still stand by my previous suggestions, though, as I don’t support passive regen at all, but thanks again for explaining.