# NPCs are clothing shredding machines now?

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npcs-are-clothing-shredding-machines-now/26763>\
**Category:** The Garage\
**Created:** [July 30, 2021, 4:49am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npcs-are-clothing-shredding-machines-now/26763 "2021-07-30T04:49:07Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 11\
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**Author:** ![Vastin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/vastin/32/9912_2.png) [@Vastin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Vastin)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 4:49am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npcs-are-clothing-shredding-machines-now/26763/1 "2021-07-30T04:49:07Z")

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Not sure when this started happening, as I mostly avoid NPC’s in my playthroughs, but if you engage a really weak NPC in combat right now - at all - you’re going to have all your clothing shredded out of existence in about 3 seconds.

This hapless and unarmed NPC I like to call ‘Slappy’ attacked 7 times in retaliation for a single Estoc blow - my character acting at normal speeds with no significant penalties.

This results in a guaranteed clothing damaging hit, even against battle-tough and reinforced gear, and as you can see instantly annihilated a fully reinforced survivor backpack in 1 second. Multiple reloads and tests of this encounter generate pretty much the same result every time. It’s like throwing my gear into a woodchipper.

The NPC was in every other respect a trivial opponent, easily dispatched.

 ![clothing_bye](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/cataclysmdda/original/2X/e/ece2bac804d8ef8b4bfbc5ab303856b67e813f1e.png)

Just going to go out on a limb and say this doesn’t seem quite right. 😑

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**Author:** ![Vastin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/vastin/32/9912_2.png) [@Vastin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Vastin)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 4:52am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npcs-are-clothing-shredding-machines-now/26763/2 "2021-07-30T04:52:37Z")

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Also a little weird that NPCs don’t generate any actual attack messages. Did they ever? I honestly forget.

This is just reminder #93 of why I _never_ interact with NPC’s in CDDA. Not once has it ever been a useful or reasonable interaction in terms of game mechanics or logic.

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**Author:** ![KliPeH](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/klipeh/32/11298_2.png) [@KliPeH](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KliPeH)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 10:53am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npcs-are-clothing-shredding-machines-now/26763/3 "2021-07-30T10:53:50Z")

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Perhaps you should post your game version as if this were a bug report. “Now” can be relative to the Stable or Experimental release you’re playing.

Maybe you’re onto something new with the latest Experimental release that the devs are not aware of, or you’re using an outdated version where this was already fixed.

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**Author:** ![ThinkSome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@ThinkSome](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ThinkSome)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 12:19pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npcs-are-clothing-shredding-machines-now/26763/4 "2021-07-30T12:19:20Z")

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NPCs followers are great. They build for you and assist with crafting. Plus you can probably learn from them faster than from books (if we consider total time spent learning).

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**Author:** ![gtgiygus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/gtgiygus/32/6096_2.png) [@gtgiygus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/gtgiygus)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 1:45pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npcs-are-clothing-shredding-machines-now/26763/5 "2021-07-30T13:45:49Z")

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That is hilarious, but probably some sort of mistake yeah.

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**Author:** ![Vinicius](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/vinicius/32/5925_2.png) [@Vinicius](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Vinicius)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 2:20pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npcs-are-clothing-shredding-machines-now/26763/6 "2021-07-30T14:20:45Z")

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Sorry man but this is absolutely hilarious, I’m out of breath here 🤣  
Also the screenshot name is clothing\_bye 🤣

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**Author:** ![Erk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/erk/32/3871_2.png) [@Erk](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Erk)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 5:39pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npcs-are-clothing-shredding-machines-now/26763/7 "2021-07-30T17:39:13Z")

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What a wonderful bug! What version are you running? I wonder if this is related to them throwing underwear at you, which I think we fixed this recently.

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**Author:** ![Vastin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/vastin/32/9912_2.png) [@Vastin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Vastin)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npcs-are-clothing-shredding-machines-now/26763/8 "2021-07-30T21:25:52Z")

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Experimental. Looks like this game is currently on 2021-07-10-1214, a good bit older than I realized. Man my work schedule has been messing with my sense of time lately. 😅

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**Author:** ![anothersimulacrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/anothersimulacrum/32/10770_2.png) [@anothersimulacrum](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/anothersimulacrum)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npcs-are-clothing-shredding-machines-now/26763/9 "2021-07-31T15:37:54Z")

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This looks like

> <https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/50331>
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> \### Describe the bug
> 
> NPCs piercing/cutting weapon cause extreme torso bleeding …for all hostiles in a 8 tile square around them when attacking something (or walking to something to attack it).
> 
> \### Steps To Reproduce
> 
> 1. Spawn a NPC.
> 2. Make sure the NPC has a weapon with cutting/piercing.
> 3. Spawn debug monsters around the NPC in an square area around the NPC
> 4. Observe that all debug monsters in the 17x17 tile area around the attacking NPC start bleeding from the torso. 
> 
> \### Expected behavior
> 
> I expect that only the attacked monster/NPC can get the bleeding effect.
> 
> \### Screenshots
> 
> !\[2021-07-30 (4)\](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/53142838/127670965-7f9829c5-a2be-4578-bb97-bde7c9556396.png)
> !\[2021-07-30 (5)\](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/53142838/127671010-edc80ec4-3316-49ac-9e87-cd9a488e1548.png)
> 
> 
> \### Versions and configuration
> 
> \- OS: Windows
> - OS Version: 10.0 2009
> \- Game Version: 15dd993 \[64-bit\]
> \- Graphics Version: Tiles
> \- Game Language: System language \[\]
> \- Mods loaded: \[
> Dark Days Ahead \[dda\],
> Disable NPC Needs \[no\_npc\_food\],
> Bionic Professions \[package\_bionic\_professions\],
> No Rail Stations \[No\_Rail\_Stations\],
> Graphical Overmap \[Graphical\_Overmap\],
> No Fungal Monsters \[No\_Fungi\],
> SpeedyDex \[speedydex\]
> \]
> 
> \### Additional context
> 
> \_No response\_

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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [August 1, 2021, 7:56pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npcs-are-clothing-shredding-machines-now/26763/10 "2021-08-01T19:56:07Z")

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> [@Erk](#):
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> I wonder if this is related to them throwing underwear at you, which I think we fixed this recently.

Wait what? How in the world does a bug like _that_ happen? Sounds a heck of a lot like someone just snuck that in, given the baffling humor that might produce.

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**Author:** ![potato\_guy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/potato_guy/32/11749_2.png) [@potato\_guy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/potato_guy)\
**Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npcs-are-clothing-shredding-machines-now/26763/11 "2022-01-18T20:20:56Z")

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oof slappy just rekt u