I’ll quote you and add in red what it should ce changed.
Because some of the stuff isn’t right.
Oh, also.
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STOP THROWING ROCK, IT GOT MALUS TO HIT. USE ITEM LIKE CROWBAR INSTEAD IN EARLY GAME !
More, throwing cost 125point to use, no matter what. So try throw the most dangerous stuff in you inventory is a good idea, like melee weapon.
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[quote=“youtoo, post:1, topic:2484”]With the additional crafting that has been added to Cataclysm DDA, I don’t think you need to go to town. You can get strong just by killing wildlife and survive. So you can get pretty buff and stay away from zombies.
The only thing you really NEED to go to town for early is water. Since most spawns dont start by water. See below for how to handle it.
Spend a week training in the woods and your going to be fairly buff. Reduces risk when you do town raids.
DO THIS:
- smash a bench in the shelter to make a melee weapon Make a knife spear. hit locker for metal, window for rag, string, and wood.
- throw rocksCrowbar (make it with a pipe and a rock) at rabbits to train throwing (goes up fast) and butcher to train survival (critical for getting food and for crafting)
- i believe you can craft a stone hammer and stone pot (for boiling water) with survival 3 and items you find in the woods Stone pot is 2 survival and 1 cooking; stone hammer is 1 survival.
- you can craft multiple stone pots to poor boiled water in
- you start with 20 matches. even if you dont find corpses that will last a while. cooking can be trained by cooking rabbits, etc…
- bow (though not as strong as it used to be very useful), is tricky. if you start with archery you can craft a bow with 1 survival. if not you to either find crossbow traps, disarm, hope your bolts dont break so you can train archery to 1 by shooting rabbits (which in .71 is hard since you miss constantly). Broke a fridge, pick rubber hoose, make slingshot. Train archery.
- once archery is 1 and survival is 1 you can craft a bow and arrows. you can train archery up very high without fighting. you just make arrows. smash bench or chop trees.
Water is the only issue. Most starts dont start by water. Will disucss that later.
Things you can train high in woods
- cooking, by cooking food and boiling water with stone pot.
- survival by butchering corpses (critical for crafting) Bone needle train survival way way way faster than butchering, witch is one of the slowest way to grind a skill actually. But you need survival 3.
- some mechanics and engineering by breaking locker and find stuff in rubble by crafting. limitedin wood you almost don’t get metal, so why put here in “train hight” dude ?
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archery only if you start with archery or find sufficient crossbow traps (only get 1 bolt per trap) to train archery to 1. This is MUCH harder in .71 since you miss constantly at low levels. but worth it. After its at 1, you can uber raise it just by making arrows. you can jack this up. Archery is still a good range weapon and silent once you get it high and you dont need to fight after you get it to 1 to raise it.
- some melee fighting when dogs or wolves come up to you plus dodge. Spider don’t hit hard and laps. Good way to train yourself, if you put clothe before to avoid his poisonned hit.
- throwing. very under rated skill. throwing is easy to buff since dex is so much more valuable in .71 (go see what happens when you raise dex). throwing rocks does alot of damage now to wildlife You do either cut, bash or piercing dommage when you hit. Try get a weapon with bonus to hit and only of sort of dommage.
Items can get
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- stone pots, stone hammers.
- food easily. you need to butcher to get surival to 3 so you actually get bodies
- should find corpses littered. they are common, but there is a luck factor. there seem to be more scientist ones. which is good since they tend to have clean water
- items in rubble for crafting.
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Hard to get:
- water. unless you spawn near water. however, you can usually find a working toilet at houses at the edge of town. may have to kill a couple of zombies. can get unlucky and run into a smoker. but once that house is clear. no new zombies spawn and can get in and out quickly.
- armor, guns and ammo (hard to get enough corpses to get ammo to match guns), electronics, etc…
- lack of carrying capacity. This is luck. you can often find army pants, and backpacks on corpses. however, there is luck involved. more common in town. Crash site can let you pick up rucksack also, it’s not rare.
Water is the only reason you would have to go to town. If you go to melee, you may want to kill some basic Z. They are easy and can drop Under armor, witch when they fit you give -1 to torso encumbrance. Tank top do the same but can be crafted.
Depending on spawns (luck)
- science corpses. VERY common. Science Lab IDs. You can often find a science lab and use this to get into the lab. Can find massive amounts of good stuff in a lab. Dont need to go to town. Do NOT fight turrets.Shut off you light and trow item nearby at it, it will die quicly and it won’t see you. Shut the door. These are difficult to loot until you get a better light source. so dont go too far down until you have a light source or you will get lost and frustrated. underground maps are not well implemented. It’s always the same and not hard to move in; You just need to use your brain a little to memorize stuff. The only problem if to find stair, but you can drop item in vertical and horizontal line from the stair to the wall to make you find it faster.
- different corpses. Scientists are the most common. Military ones are nice, but most of the time you dont get ammo for the guns you find. so this is a nice to have. Science is better cause they often come with clean water which buys you time to avoid town.
- drug runners. read wiki on drugs. becareful. you can OD on drugs. so use sparingly Don’t use if you picked up the addictive trait. And even if you don’t, avoid use it untill last ressort.
- LMOE shelter. has water supply. so may want to temporarily relocate here for training. they tend to be far from stuff Water,bed, stove but not light source. depend what you want.
- working cars and gas stations. I generally dont find driving useful until I find a driving book to get my driving to 1. Before that its nasty. but up to you.
Risks in the woods
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- lack of guns and armor. some times you run into bad stuff and you need more fire power. odds of getting ammo for guns is lower. Pick a bow, train yourself hitting a wall with whatever arrow you get, then it’s the same a rifle. Without noise. Well you miss a bit more but who care,if it come at close range it’s likely it will die fast. And it cost only 45 movepoint to use a bow.
- stay away from triffids, vinebeasts, wabbacjacks, ants, spiders, and bees (bees are good to clear after getting archery high, but they poison and this can kill you). It really depend of your gear. If you cover yourself, most enemi won’t do dommage by poison because armor absorbe. The problem is how to take down the guys : as iv sayd , archery can take down everything quickly, and it’s the same for quick melee weapon or unarmed if you wear tank top, under armor, woolponcho (town), jumpsuit (worker, lab)
- military bases. zombie soldiers and turrets are deadly Turret don’t see during night. Zombi soldier are easy to kill like other CaC Z, just use bush or whatever slow it down.
- FEMA camps. you will die i won’t copy what iv just write !
- dont go into caves With decent fight skill it’s not a problem. Back often to avoid being surrounded if it’s rat cave.
- any new zones in .71 I dont know about. Dont take risks since you probably wont have firepower. To be sure to get enought firepower, you will want to do about 200dmg/100turn. You won’t do this with ranged but but won’t be far, so if you back often you can get everywhere you want. Also, there is no fun just sitting in your shelter. Dying is the way to play this game.
- wolves can be deadly. your best bet is to get throwing up early and throw rocks at them since they leap away. Cougars are wolves,but harder. if you do melee you can only hit when next to you. If you go melee you will one shot wolf, huhu. Cougar may hit you more because they avoid more attacks but as you say trowing CROWBAR is the solution
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