# New armor **URL:** \ **Category:** The Drawing Board\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 1:46pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713 "2013-08-16T13:46:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2

**Author:** ![CarrierPrimoris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/carrierprimoris/32/107_2.png) [@CarrierPrimoris](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/CarrierPrimoris)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 12:50am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/21 "2013-08-20T00:50:25Z")

I had an idea for a near-future type of armor. A vest made out of pockets of a kind of powered reactive gel. It’s less encumbering than a kevlar vest, but provides similar protection as long as you have a powered UPS. Without power, it’s alright protection, in a thick clothing/leather kind of way. It’s never a bad thing to think of more uses for the UPS, as far as I’m concerned. ---

**Author:** ![vultures](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/vultures/32/69_2.png) [@vultures](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/vultures)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 8:10pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/22 "2013-08-20T20:10:48Z")

Learning from what NatGeo has to offer, and with artificial, industry-spawned carbon diamond structure, a century or so time from now the above would lead in the “indestructibles” market, while energy repelling and absorbing shields might be more of a military insight, only regarding energy-blast based weaponry. So, Matrix-like bullet stop-picking could be enforced with a glove that aims a forcefield of sorts. My thoughts are more though with CataDDA kinetic-type bullet stopping and scraping off materials and technologies prior to the armageddon. ---

**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 10:02pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/23 "2013-08-20T22:02:52Z")

> [@xibalba](#): > > Why stop with kevlar. As of right now the DoD and DARPA are funding R&D (boy that’s a lot of acronyms) into synthetically produced spider silk, usually with transgenic organisms. Fifty years from now arachnoweave fiber vests should be a reality. At the very least high end military units could have them. Yeah, and they’ve been in GURPS for a while so we should be able to whip up some stats. Support. Remind me and I’ll fetch my 3d/Revised basic book. ---

**Author:** ![John\_Candlebury](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/john_candlebury/32/6437_2.png) [@John\_Candlebury](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/John_Candlebury)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 11:45pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/24 "2013-08-20T23:45:31Z")

> [@xibalba](#): > > Why stop with kevlar. As of right now the DoD and DARPA are funding R&D (boy that’s a lot of acronyms) into synthetically produced spider silk, usually with transgenic organisms. Fifty years from now arachnoweave fiber vests should be a reality. At the very least high end military units could have them. Not only would it make great armor, but it also will give us gigantic genetically engineered angry arachnids with bulletproof spider webs to kill after we clear all those boring labs. ---

**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2013, 1:55am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/25 "2013-08-21T01:55:02Z")

> [@John Candlebury](#): > > [quote=“xibalba”]Why stop with kevlar. As of right now the DoD and DARPA are funding R&D (boy that’s a lot of acronyms) into synthetically produced spider silk, usually with transgenic organisms. Fifty years from now arachnoweave fiber vests should be a reality. At the very least high end military units could have them. Not only would it make great armor, but it also will give us gigantic genetically engineered angry arachnids with bulletproof spider webs to kill after we clear all those boring labs.[/quote] Or being able to harvest Web’d tiles and weave one’s own, perhaps with Lab machinery? ---

**Author:** ![Sheb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e99b99/32.png) [@Sheb](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Sheb)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 7:17am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/26 "2013-08-22T07:17:54Z")

Spider silk is though, but it’s also fairly elastic. I’m not sure it’d stop the bullet rather than put a layer of silk around it before it perfore you. ---

**Author:** ![keldoclock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e19b73/32.png) [@keldoclock](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/keldoclock)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 3:11pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/27 "2013-08-22T15:11:25Z")

Thats how Kevlar and similar fiber-based armor systems work- they “catch” the projectile, spreading the impact over a wider area and reducing the force from enough to go through you to a welt or bruise. That’s why they only work on weaker rounds- something like 5.56 FMJ would just cut right through it. For this reason the military and SWAT units favor “hard” armor- ceramic plates inside Kevlar plate carriers. These shatter when bullets hit them, dispersing the force and usually deflecting the bullet. ---

**Author:** ![Sheb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e99b99/32.png) [@Sheb](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Sheb)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 5:36am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/28 "2013-08-24T05:36:56Z")

Yeah, but spider silk is more elastic than Kevlar. Toughness is defined as the total energy you need to break a strand. Spider sil is tough because it elongate a lot before breaking, as such you need a lot of energy to break it. So yeah, your spider silk bulletproof vest won’t let any bulet go through, but it’ll bend around them until bullet and vest are both stuck somewhere in your precious, delicates, internal organs. ---

**Author:** ![Disconected](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Disconected](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Disconected)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 9:16am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/29 "2013-08-25T09:16:27Z")

What about space suits? ---

**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/cataclysmdda/original/1X/21b5d044e8473b25d0bf905d60477e25f6fbe0cf.png) [@system](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 11:31am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/30 "2013-08-25T11:31:43Z")

> [@Disconected](#): > > What about space suits? Shit, dude, you just deserved a high-five from me. Also, it should be very rare loot in the craters. Then we also need clown suit, aerospace engineering rig and stun batons. And air canisters. ---

**Author:** ![Disconected](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Disconected](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Disconected)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 12:14pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/31 "2013-08-25T12:14:56Z")

> [@trusty\_patches](#): > > [quote=“Disconected, post:29, topic:2713”]What about space suits? Shit, dude, you just deserved a high-five from me. Also, it should be very rare loot in the craters. Then we also need clown suit, aerospace engineering rig and stun batons. And air canisters. And red security jumpsuits. ---

**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/cataclysmdda/original/1X/21b5d044e8473b25d0bf905d60477e25f6fbe0cf.png) [@system](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 12:34pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/32 "2013-08-25T12:34:23Z")

> [@Disconected](#): > > And red security jumpsuits. More like shit-curity ---

**Author:** ![Disconected](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Disconected](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Disconected)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 12:53pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/33 "2013-08-25T12:53:23Z")

And Harm-batons. ---

**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/cataclysmdda/original/1X/21b5d044e8473b25d0bf905d60477e25f6fbe0cf.png) [@system](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 12:59pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/34 "2013-08-25T12:59:45Z")

Ok, whatever, enough SS13 If we’re going to add a spacesuit then it should have very high environmental defense and also possibility to use air from the canisters for full protection from all that shit. ---

**Author:** ![John\_Candlebury](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/john_candlebury/32/6437_2.png) [@John\_Candlebury](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/John_Candlebury)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 2:00pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/35 "2013-08-25T14:00:46Z")

You know what would be cool? Hazmat Suit+ Scrap metal+ Hammer+ Alcohol = Armored Hazmat Suit ---

**Author:** ![FunsizeNinja123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/funsizeninja123/32/118_2.png) [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 2:04pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/36 "2013-08-25T14:04:50Z")

Why the alcohol? ---

**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/cataclysmdda/original/1X/21b5d044e8473b25d0bf905d60477e25f6fbe0cf.png) [@system](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 2:11pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/37 "2013-08-25T14:11:29Z")

> [@FunsizeNinja123](#): > > Why the alcohol? Because you need to disinfect it… or maybe because no one would think about armoring hazmat suit in normal state ---

**Author:** ![FunsizeNinja123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/funsizeninja123/32/118_2.png) [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/38 "2013-08-25T14:39:41Z")

Ohhhhhhhhhhh. ---

**Author:** ![Rivet](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/rivet/32/11_2.png) [@Rivet](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Rivet)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 1:26am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/39 "2013-08-27T01:26:36Z")

We’ve already got something along the lines of armored light hazmat gear: [survivor suits](http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=2915.0). They’re high end craftable armor. Get your tailoring and fabrication skills up high enough and you can make them out of body armor, raincoats, storage gear, and some raw materials. ---

**Author:** ![Alcatraz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/alcatraz/32/168_2.png) [@Alcatraz](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Alcatraz)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 3:07am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713/40 "2013-08-27T03:07:55Z")

What about knee pads and elbow pads. They could add some more protection and would especially negate damage from falls. [Previous page](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713.md?page=1) [Next page](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/new-armor/2713.md?page=3)