# Needful things (simple additions to improve the game)

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570>\
**Category:** The Drawing Board\
**Created:** [March 23, 2014, 10:36pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570 "2014-03-23T22:36:07Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![RAM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b9bd4f/32.png) [@RAM](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/RAM)\
**Post date:** [June 19, 2014, 12:10am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/281 "2014-06-19T00:10:13Z")

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> [@Jimbo\_Jamerson](#):
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> [quote=“Womble, post:249, topic:5570”]Stimulants need to stop lowering the character’s tiredness. If the Stimulants condition can be made to temporarily lower effective tiredness, that would be ideal - otherwise, the raw stimulant effects oppose tiredness penalties, so the game wouldn’t be far off.

Dude you ever taken any amphets? You got enough you can stay up for a month straight, I’ve known people to do it.

Meth.[/quote]  
Wouldn’t a temporary reduction in effective tiredness achieve this? You would have, say, 50000000000 tiredness, but your 80000 doses of adrenaline would make the game interpret that as only being 5000 tiredness, causing you to dream about your heart exploding…

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**Author:** ![Murphy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/murphy/32/2371_2.png) [@Murphy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Murphy)\
**Post date:** [June 19, 2014, 12:34am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/282 "2014-06-19T00:34:02Z")

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Yeah, stimulants should postpone tiredness, not remove it entirely.

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**Author:** ![Bonevomit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Bonevomit](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Bonevomit)\
**Post date:** [June 19, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/283 "2014-06-19T02:08:46Z")

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how about seasonal colors? Like, in winter the grass is white and trees are brown  
in autumn we could have autumn colors.

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**Author:** ![VampyreLord](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/vampyrelord/32/197_2.png) [@VampyreLord](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/VampyreLord)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 8:31am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/284 "2014-06-20T08:31:37Z")

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[quote=“Bonevomit, post:283, topic:5570”]how about seasonal colors? Like, in winter the grass is white and trees are brown  
in autumn we could have autumn colors.[/quote]Even in real life, the grass stays green across seasons, unless it’s snowy. In the other hand, painting the grass white will just make things (look) worse.

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**Author:** ![chevil](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/chevil/32/282_2.png) [@chevil](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/chevil)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 8:56am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/285 "2014-06-20T08:56:10Z")

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Give spears and pikes a long range thrust similarly to bullwhips whipping.

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**Author:** ![Bonevomit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Bonevomit](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Bonevomit)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 12:59pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/286 "2014-06-20T12:59:56Z")

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[quote=“VampyreLord, post:284, topic:5570”][quote=“Bonevomit, post:283, topic:5570”]how about seasonal colors? Like, in winter the grass is white and trees are brown  
in autumn we could have autumn colors.[/quote]Even in real life, the grass stays green across seasons, unless it’s snowy. In the other hand, painting the grass white will just make things (look) worse.[/quote]  
True, but I’m just talking basic stuff now. Here’s a mockup I did with some random picture I had saved:  
 ![](http://i59.tinypic.com/29kqu1e.png)  
I think the white grass looks pretty good. I guess my point is that it looks like winter.  
And it would be a nice change of scenery for someone who has survived that long.

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**Author:** ![Datanazush](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/datanazush/32/1055_2.png) [@Datanazush](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Datanazush)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 1:45pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/287 "2014-06-20T13:45:32Z")

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I’d prefer it to start snowing more than just suddenly becoming winter and white grass.

I do have to say, I like the idea of the trees turning brown, especially if some stay green (You guys have evergreens, yeah?) and they turn orange first.

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**Author:** ![John\_Candlebury](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/john_candlebury/32/6437_2.png) [@John\_Candlebury](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/John_Candlebury)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 2:11pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/288 "2014-06-20T14:11:34Z")

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[quote=“Datanazush, post:287, topic:5570”]I’d prefer it to start snowing more than just suddenly becoming winter and white grass.

I do have to say, I like the idea of the trees turning brown, especially if some stay green (You guys have evergreens, yeah?) and they turn orange first.[/quote]

We dont even have orange in the game!

My favourite color is not allowed to exist in the Cata universe. D:

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**Author:** ![Zireael](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zireael/32/956_2.png) [@Zireael](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zireael)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 2:14pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/289 "2014-06-20T14:14:10Z")

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I like Bonevomit’s mockup.

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**Author:** ![Datanazush](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/datanazush/32/1055_2.png) [@Datanazush](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Datanazush)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 2:22pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/290 "2014-06-20T14:22:30Z")

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[quote=“John Candlebury, post:288, topic:5570”][quote=“Datanazush, post:287, topic:5570”]I’d prefer it to start snowing more than just suddenly becoming winter and white grass.

I do have to say, I like the idea of the trees turning brown, especially if some stay green (You guys have evergreens, yeah?) and they turn orange first.[/quote]

We dont even have orange in the game!

My favourite color is not allowed to exist in the Cata universe. D:[/quote]

Orange is Verboten? Or have we just never bothered to make orange shit?

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**Author:** ![John\_Candlebury](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/john_candlebury/32/6437_2.png) [@John\_Candlebury](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/John_Candlebury)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/291 "2014-06-20T14:26:01Z")

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Like in the game panics and tells you that this ridiculous thing you call orange is not a color.

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**Author:** ![Datanazush](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/datanazush/32/1055_2.png) [@Datanazush](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Datanazush)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 4:53pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/292 "2014-06-20T16:53:16Z")

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> [@John Candlebury](#):
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> Like in the game panics and tells you that this ridiculous thing you call orange is not a color.

That is… interesting.

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**Author:** ![Zireael](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zireael/32/956_2.png) [@Zireael](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zireael)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 5:09pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/293 "2014-06-20T17:09:25Z")

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> Orange is Verboten? Or have we just never bothered to make orange shit?

Good question.

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**Author:** ![vache](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ea666f/32.png) [@vache](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/vache)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 5:19pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/294 "2014-06-20T17:19:11Z")

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Look up color.h in the code for the color definitions.

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**Author:** ![FunsizeNinja123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/funsizeninja123/32/118_2.png) [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/295 "2014-06-20T18:06:57Z")

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Yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an orange anything in the game.

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**Author:** ![RAM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b9bd4f/32.png) [@RAM](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/RAM)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 6:46pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/296 "2014-06-20T18:46:06Z")

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So… Is orange a needful thing?

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**Author:** ![FunsizeNinja123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/funsizeninja123/32/118_2.png) [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 6:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/297 "2014-06-20T18:55:58Z")

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Is the orange in the game orange?

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**Author:** ![Datanazush](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/datanazush/32/1055_2.png) [@Datanazush](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Datanazush)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 6:57pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/298 "2014-06-20T18:57:49Z")

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> [@FunsizeNinja123](#):
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> Is the orange in the game orange?

Nope, turns out it’s pink. The juice however is yellow.

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**Author:** ![Zireael](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zireael/32/956_2.png) [@Zireael](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zireael)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/299 "2014-06-20T18:58:55Z")

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> [@RAM](#):
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> So… Is orange a needful thing?

YUP.

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**Author:** ![John\_Candlebury](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/john_candlebury/32/6437_2.png) [@John\_Candlebury](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/John_Candlebury)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 7:24pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-simple-additions-to-improve-the-game/5570/300 "2014-06-20T19:24:52Z")

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> [@Zireael](#):
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> [quote=“RAM, post:296, topic:5570”]So… Is orange a needful thing?

YUP.[/quote]

Definitely. But I don’t know if its actually simple (it probably is).

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