# Needful things part 2

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885>\
**Category:** The Drawing Board\
**Tags:** todo\
**Created:** [January 30, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885 "2018-01-30T23:38:28Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Pyrite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pyrite](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Pyrite)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 8:13am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/27 "2018-03-16T08:13:07Z")

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I’ve concluded that you’re pretty much meant to always precisely aim.

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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/28 "2018-03-16T13:55:32Z")

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Yes, ALWAYS either wait or use precise aim. Even at super high markmenship it’s still a terrible idea to do otherwise

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**Author:** ![FurryDegenerate](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/furrydegenerate/32/2274_2.png) [@FurryDegenerate](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FurryDegenerate)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/29 "2018-03-16T13:56:42Z")

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Although, it would make sense that there should be a 100% chance to hit the target, graze or not, at point blank range.

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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/30 "2018-03-16T13:58:59Z")

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No kidding, you miss when a human sized creature is two feet in front of you at point blank. Seriously, are you turned opposite way or something?  
_Stupid, it is._ - Yoda

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**Author:** ![TheMurderUnicorn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/themurderunicorn/32/5706_2.png) [@TheMurderUnicorn](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheMurderUnicorn)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 2:05pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/31 "2018-03-16T14:05:51Z")

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I wasn’t going to say anything, EDIT: But this conversation has come up multiple times. People, including trained professionals, miss enemies that are only a few feet away. It’s called panic fire and it happens all the time. Most of the time when you hear about a police shooting, they’ve frequently fired 5-15 shots and hit two or three, even when in the same room with a perpetrator.

I agree that the aiming system needs work because distant shots, even with appropriate rifles, have a very low to-hit. That said, I use a pistol and a shotgun all the time at around 8 tiles (shotgun) to maybe 12 tiles (pistol) and with a low skill level. I find them to be just fine. I spend two or three ‘waits’ before firing and it almost always works out for me.

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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/32 "2018-03-16T14:15:59Z")

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I seem to have a fair bit of luck with throwing weapons however, just to point out. Maybe it is just luck or something, but I seem to hit more. Excluding when I have a broken arm(s), obviously. In my experience guns specifically have _always_ just not worked very well, so I just don’t use them. Plus, the fact that I can be silent is always nice.

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**Author:** ![psyxypher](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/psyxypher/32/11778_2.png) [@psyxypher](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/psyxypher)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/33 "2018-03-16T20:26:17Z")

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Protip: Manhacks aren’t a good enemy to gauge your shooting on. For some reason, people do this.

God of Slaughter Noble Culver has _24_ Perception and Marksmanship 17, and he still misses Manhacks at 6 tile ranges.

Size and Range are important; remember manhacks are about the size of a human heart/fist.

…Now I kinda want to play a Perception-based Bird Character and see how high I can get my Perception. If I start with 12, I could theoretically get as high as 30 if I pushed it.

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**Author:** ![Pyrite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pyrite](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Pyrite)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/34 "2018-03-16T20:33:33Z")

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I did some zombie science in the other gun thread with scoped rifles against a standard zombie. The results were not great.

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**Author:** ![TheKobold](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/thekobold/32/513_2.png) [@TheKobold](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheKobold)\
**Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 4:20am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/35 "2018-04-09T04:20:37Z")

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Some sort of indication that an item is modified in the clothes layering ui.

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**Author:** ![BorkBorkGoesTheCode](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/borkborkgoesthecode/32/2343_2.png) [@BorkBorkGoesTheCode](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/BorkBorkGoesTheCode)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/36 "2018-04-10T15:48:09Z")

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Tank mod really needs a tank recovery vehicle. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armoured\_recovery\_vehicle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armoured_recovery_vehicle) It could be based on the Main Battle Tank’s chassis as is tradition, the turret replaced with a telescopic cantilever or something.

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**Author:** ![Sanehatter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@Sanehatter](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Sanehatter)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/37 "2018-04-10T16:38:59Z")

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I really think we could use vehicle installed charcoal kilns/smokers. It would also be good if we could upgrade the existing FOODCO/kitchen/forge to include stuff like waffle irons, metal tongs, swage and die sets and whatnot.

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**Author:** ![BorkBorkGoesTheCode](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/borkborkgoesthecode/32/2343_2.png) [@BorkBorkGoesTheCode](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/BorkBorkGoesTheCode)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 7:29pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/38 "2018-04-10T19:29:08Z")

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Since speedloaders and clips are a thing now, it’s time to add them to the old M1903 and Mosin-Nagant rifles. The BB gun could get a BB bottle with dispenser nozzle.

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**Author:** ![BorkBorkGoesTheCode](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/borkborkgoesthecode/32/2343_2.png) [@BorkBorkGoesTheCode](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/BorkBorkGoesTheCode)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/39 "2018-04-10T20:58:19Z")

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This one’s easy, and someone’s probably done it already: split the unused mags\_military itemgroup between mags\_milspec and mags\_surplus. The STANAGs go to milspec, the rest goes to surplus.

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**Author:** ![DeWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeWolf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/DeWolf)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/40 "2018-04-10T23:11:30Z")

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Wait clips are an actual thing now!?! Or do you just mean magazines?

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 12:47am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/41 "2018-04-11T00:47:19Z")

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For real clips, I added clips and speedloaders a week or two ago.

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**Author:** ![DeWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeWolf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/DeWolf)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 7:03am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/42 "2018-04-11T07:03:15Z")

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Yes I was wondering if I was going to have to fenangle something with a combined internal and removable magazine. With that said another question is it still not possible to load single rounds into guns that you do not have a magazine for?

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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/43 "2018-04-11T13:35:00Z")

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That would be lovely, if only it were so. 😭

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**Author:** ![DeWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeWolf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/DeWolf)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/44 "2018-04-13T15:16:26Z")

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While I very much appreciate the addition of the speed loader I was surprised that the mosin nagants or the sks didn’t get stripper clips (Those are the only rifles in the vanilla game that I know off the top of my head take those). Welp time to mess with the Jsons.

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**Author:** ![Vermilion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/vermilion/32/5822_2.png) [@Vermilion](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Vermilion)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/45 "2018-04-13T16:58:12Z")

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Didn’t M1903 and the Mosin get stripper clips in the latest exp build?

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**Author:** ![DeWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeWolf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/DeWolf)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 6:57pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/needful-things-part-2/14885/46 "2018-04-13T18:57:28Z")

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If they did they are not called stripper clips. Or they are in one of the mods all I know is with only the vanilla game the only thing I found was a speed loader for the s&w 619.

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