# More Survival Tools + Modded MShock Tileset \[Merged\]

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198>\
**Category:** The Lab\
**Created:** [March 21, 2015, 5:31am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198 "2015-03-21T05:31:32Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![BeerBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@BeerBeer](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/BeerBeer)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 2:06pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/141 "2015-12-29T14:06:44Z")

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Alternatively:  
 ![](http://s23.postimg.org/9cua21ryv/turret3.png)

Not sure if I’m doing this right. I just noticed the in-game turrets have shadows. I mean, I just copypaste the images from the tileset into Paint and do my thing. Then copypaste the edited image into Irfanview and save as PNG. Super primitive, I know. Should I save black as transparent color? I barely know what I’m doing… And even that might be a stretch 😑

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/142 "2015-12-29T15:34:24Z")

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[quote=“BeerBeer, post:141, topic:9198”]Alternatively:  
 ![](http://s23.postimg.org/9cua21ryv/turret3.png)

Not sure if I’m doing this right. I just noticed the in-game turrets have shadows. I mean, I just copypaste the images from the tileset into Paint and do my thing. Then copypaste the edited image into Irfanview and save as PNG. Super primitive, I know. Should I save black as transparent color? I barely know what I’m doing… And even that might be a stretch :|[/quote]

Meep. Is fine. Usually I find GIMP to be infinitely easier, though it still has its oddities and annoyances. So if I do use it, just would have to delete the background at it should work.

Just hoping it won’t have Paint’s glorious halo of ever-so-slightly different shades of black preventing me from removing it all at once, but oh well. o3o

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**Author:** ![Noctifer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/noctifer/32/458_2.png) [@Noctifer](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Noctifer)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 8:29pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/143 "2015-12-29T20:29:04Z")

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Quick question, do you receive errors if you use this tileset without loading the mods it adds sprites to?

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/144 "2015-12-29T20:37:38Z")

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> [@Noctifer](#):
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> Quick question, do you receive errors if you use this tileset without loading the mods it adds sprites to?

Noes. Has it error’d at you? o.O

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**Author:** ![Noctifer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/noctifer/32/458_2.png) [@Noctifer](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Noctifer)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 8:39pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/145 "2015-12-29T20:39:47Z")

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No, just question on tilesets since I might want to make sprites for my mods.

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/146 "2015-12-29T20:41:42Z")

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> [@Noctifer](#):
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> No, just question on tilesets since I might want to make sprites for my mods.

Ah, hope it goes well then. \<3

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**Author:** ![Noctifer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/noctifer/32/458_2.png) [@Noctifer](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Noctifer)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 8:43pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/147 "2015-12-29T20:43:11Z")

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It will be a while since I start since I have no idea how they work…

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 8:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/148 "2015-12-29T20:55:32Z")

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> [@Noctifer](#):
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> It will be a while since I start since I have no idea how they work…

Ah, I see. Let’s see…for the tile\_config it’s just a straightforward list, so don’t forget how far along you are and it won’t cause problems.

For editing the tileset file itself, you want to keep track of the grid that defines what sections are perceived as a sprite or tile. If your image editor has a grid feature, easy enough to turn it on, and set the spacing as equal to the tileset’s sprite size, like 24x24 or 32x32. Then make sure it’s aligned right, as GIMP has occasionally derped that up when I switch from 24 to 32.

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**Author:** ![JazzGuru](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/jazzguru/32/2587_2.png) [@JazzGuru](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/JazzGuru)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/149 "2016-01-02T02:55:07Z")

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Hey Random, I just popped into the game with the latest experimental, and guess what?

I found that other item, the one without a sprite. Lucky you! 😉

Anyway, it’s the thermal electric suit… 🙂

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2016, 3:41am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/150 "2016-01-02T03:41:28Z")

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[quote=“JazzGuru, post:149, topic:9198”]Hey Random, I just popped into the game with the latest experimental, and guess what?

I found that other item, the one without a sprite. Lucky you! 😉

Anyway, it’s the thermal electric suit… :)[/quote]

Derp. As I guessed. ALL the thermal electric gear seems to lack sprites. ;w;

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 5:59am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/151 "2016-02-09T05:59:22Z")

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Well, due to…things, I am no longer a contributor to Cataclysm DDA. I’m still not sure yet if I’ll even continue being on here, after drama from multiple people, including and especially myself. But if I do, that leaves one piece of unfinished business.

More Survival Tools has every idea I thought up that was worth adding. Tank mod is effectively complete until Blaze starts deciding to PR stuff again. Medieval Stuff has been finished up at long last. Arcana mod is effectively fleshed out as I intended.

The MShock Modded tileset was effectively the only continuous, long-term part of the game I considered myself responsible for. I’m going to need to find someone to take up work on it instead.

Alternatively…I could keep spriting. I could offer updates to someone if they’re willing to submit it in my stead, but I don’t know if that will be acceptable. If Kevin objects to that, then so be it.

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**Author:** ![stk2008](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@stk2008](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/stk2008)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 8:08am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/152 "2016-02-09T08:08:48Z")

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No mate dont go :(.

I love your work :(.

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**Author:** ![TheFlame52](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/theflame52/32/247_2.png) [@TheFlame52](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheFlame52)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/153 "2016-02-09T14:53:43Z")

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1. Please don’t go.
2. What is all this about? I haven’t seen anything. Could you fill me in?
3. DAMMIT NOT AGAIN

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/154 "2016-02-09T17:00:48Z")

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[quote=“TheFlame52, post:153, topic:9198”]1. Please don’t go.  
2. What is all this about? I haven’t seen anything. Could you fill me in?  
3. DAMMIT NOT AGAIN[/quote]

See [https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/15203](https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/15203) near the end.

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**Author:** ![TheFlame52](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/theflame52/32/247_2.png) [@TheFlame52](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheFlame52)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 6:09pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/155 "2016-02-09T18:09:51Z")

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Wow, I mean, your code had problems, but Kevin and co. were incredibly hostile for no reason. Is he always like that? When I’ve submitted things in the past I always got Rivet, and she was civil.

Why do we always have to disagree? Can’t we be friends?

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/156 "2016-02-09T18:55:42Z")

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[quote=“TheFlame52, post:155, topic:9198”]Wow, I mean, your code had problems, but Kevin and co. were incredibly hostile for no reason. Is he always like that? When I’ve submitted things in the past I always got Rivet, and she was civil.

Why do we always have to disagree? Can’t we be friends?[/quote]

As much as I’d like to say it was for no reason, there was additional context for this. [https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/15182](https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/15182)

EDIT: Linked to the wrong thing. It was an issue, not a PR.

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**Author:** ![TheFlame52](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/theflame52/32/247_2.png) [@TheFlame52](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheFlame52)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/157 "2016-02-09T19:04:37Z")

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But that was just an ordinary conversation… No anger or insults or anything… What shitty attitude is Kevin talking about? I see nothing, I have seen nothing. You’re a nice person.

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**Author:** ![Malkeus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/malkeus/32/12037_2.png) [@Malkeus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Malkeus)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/158 "2016-02-09T19:06:36Z")

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[quote=“TheFlame52, post:155, topic:9198”]Wow, I mean, your code had problems, but Kevin and co. were incredibly hostile for no reason. Is he always like that? When I’ve submitted things in the past I always got Rivet, and she was civil.

Why do we always have to disagree? Can’t we be friends?[/quote]

No, he is not ‘always like that’. It took a long while to get to the point of the ‘final straw’. If you know the adage about the ‘straw that broke the camels back’, you know that final straw doesn’t have to be a big one to finally overwhelm the camel, it just has to be enough.

I like you Random\_Dragon. You’re a fixture here on the boards and I personally found your antics on github amusing, but I didn’t have to work with you. I hope you stay around and keep contributing. Your work will stand on it’s own merits and the good stuff always makes it into the game eventually. Look at what’s happening with Medieval Stuff right now. There’s more freedom here on the boards, no need to push anything through a committee.

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/159 "2016-02-09T19:08:24Z")

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I was snarky about it, and it wasn’t the first time I’d been so. \>\_\>

And to be honest…yeah. It had been going on for a while. The frustrating part was that it wasn’t 100% just me contributing to that clusterfuck.

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**Author:** ![TheFlame52](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/theflame52/32/247_2.png) [@TheFlame52](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheFlame52)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2016, 7:09pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/more-survival-tools-modded-mshock-tileset-merged/9198/160 "2016-02-09T19:09:04Z")

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So just don’t contribute for a while, I guess?

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