Mod Packs

[Iosyn]

Nether, Cult and Hallucination could probably go in a horror/lovecraft pack.
Maybe unearthed stuff too but that might be taking a bit too much from core.

[Binky]

[quote=“Iosyn, post:9, topic:5147”]Nether, Cult and Hallucination could probably go in a horror/lovecraft pack.
Maybe unearthed stuff too but that might be taking a bit too much from core.[/quote]

Mod packs don’t take anything away from core. These will be enabled by default, but can be turned off for people that want a more specific experience.

I realise I did mentioned that it would be nice in the future to have just one or two enabled, but this won’t work currently (as in you can’t have a complete robot apocalypse, it’d just be zombies + robots) and would probably need a lot of work.

Nether,Cult and Hallucination would be good in a pack and unearthed stuff could go in it’s own ‘underground’ pack probably.

[Rivet]

Mod packs don’t take anything away from core.

Actually they do. Items or monsters which are hard-coded to spawn in the mapgen files have to be removed entirely from those files if they’re moved into mods.

That means that as more stuff gets put in mods, you’ll see less and less guaranteed spawns in-game.

Enjoy.

[BeigeSand]

[quote=“Rivet, post:11, topic:5147”][

Items or monsters which are hard-coded to spawn in the mapgen files have to be removed entirely from those files if they’re moved into mods.

That means that as more stuff gets put in mods, you’ll see less and less guaranteed spawns in-game.

Enjoy.[/quote]
Hrmnn, couldn’t we just have a file that flips on/off certain guaranteed spawns based on what mods are loaded? I’m no C-Ninja but most other code bases can do that without too much lag/complexity. You would just need a loop to load all the vars in, and then check to see if the item is off or not before you spawn it.

[Binky]

[quote=“Rivet, post:11, topic:5147”]Actually they do. Items or monsters which are hard-coded to spawn in the mapgen files have to be removed entirely from those files if they’re moved into mods.

That means that as more stuff gets put in mods, you’ll see less and less guaranteed spawns in-game.

Enjoy.[/quote]

I didn’t think that was the case? I remember this being brought up in the medieval pack git and it was said they’d turn up (like armour in mansions) if they were hardcoded?? As Beigesand said though, there are ways around it if it did, and it’s basically just a very few instances that are hard coded.

[KA101]

FWIW: Things that Happen when You Modpack Content.

[BeigeSand]

FWIW: Things that Happen when You Modpack Content.

It moves the flame wars to GitHub?

[Zireael]

No, other things break…

[Binky]

FWIW: Things that Happen when You Modpack Content.

Correct me if I’m wrong (as in, really do, I’m not just saying that) but doesn’t that just mean you need to create a new world if you want to play with different mod packs? I don’t see that as being a big problem really. I know a lot of people like to continue with the same world, but I think it’s a completely fine trade off for the amount of flexibility you get and seems like an ok stipulation (as long as it’s stated at the start).

I know a lot of content creators are annoyed because people might be able to turn off their content, but suck it up - if it’s great, no one will.

[Soyweiser]

[quote=“Binky, post:13, topic:5147”][quote=“Rivet, post:11, topic:5147”]Actually they do. Items or monsters which are hard-coded to spawn in the mapgen files have to be removed entirely from those files if they’re moved into mods.

That means that as more stuff gets put in mods, you’ll see less and less guaranteed spawns in-game.

Enjoy.[/quote]

I didn’t think that was the case? I remember this being brought up in the medieval pack git and it was said they’d turn up (like armour in mansions) if they were hardcoded?? As Beigesand said though, there are ways around it if it did, and it’s basically just a very few instances that are hard coded.[/quote]
Labs are all hardcoded. FYI

[Binky]

Labs are all hardcoded. FYI

Does that mean that the items still stay even if taken out of a mod pack?

[Soyweiser]

[quote=“Soyweiser, post:18, topic:5147”]Labs are all hardcoded. FYI

Does that mean that the items still stay even if taken out of a mod pack?[/quote]
I think it means the game crashes when the modpack is not activated. Or it might just not spawn.

[dwarfkoala]

FWIW: Things that Happen when You Modpack Content.

Hey, that’s mine!
Right, I wanted to do more testing on modpack content stuff. Now that the medieval content pack’s in it’s a perfect chance to do that.

[i2amroy]

[quote=“Binky, post:19, topic:5147”][quote=“Soyweiser, post:18, topic:5147”]Labs are all hardcoded. FYI

Does that mean that the items still stay even if taken out of a mod pack?[/quote]
I think it means the game crashes when the modpack is not activated. Or it might just not spawn.[/quote]
It means that the best a mod can do is remove them from the spawnlists (which just stops them from spawning other than in the hardcoded location). It’s impossible to remove them from the json files without causing weird things such as debug messages and 'null’s when you get to where they should have spawned.

[Binky]

It means that the best a mod can do is remove them from the spawnlists (which just stops them from spawning other than in the hardcoded location). It’s impossible to remove them from the json files without causing weird things such as debug messages and 'null’s when you get to where they should have spawned.

In my opinion that’s fine. Yeah, there will still be moans from some people about occasionally coming across hard coded stuff, but it’s good enough for now.

[youtoo]

http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=5466.0

I have a suggestion for handling mod packs in the mod manager. You have a pack page, click on it, and then it automatically enables all mods in the pack. My idea is to allow all mods to be uploaded to github and included by default in the download. Mod Manager has them all turned off. You then turn on. So people don’t hunt for mods.

[StopSignal]

[quote=“youtoo, post:24, topic:5147”]http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=5466.0

I have a suggestion for handling mod packs in the mod manager. You have a pack page, click on it, and then it automatically enables all mods in the pack. My idea is to allow all mods to be uploaded to github and included by default in the download. Mod Manager has them all turned off. You then turn on. So people don’t hunt for mods.[/quote]

I remember that DoomRl had the possibility to drectly download and install the mods from the game, is that possible?

[Soyweiser]

[quote=“StopSignal, post:25, topic:5147”][quote=“youtoo, post:24, topic:5147”]http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=5466.0

I have a suggestion for handling mod packs in the mod manager. You have a pack page, click on it, and then it automatically enables all mods in the pack. My idea is to allow all mods to be uploaded to github and included by default in the download. Mod Manager has them all turned off. You then turn on. So people don’t hunt for mods.[/quote]

I remember that DoomRl had the possibility to drectly download and install the mods from the game, is that possible?[/quote]

If the mods get information for which versions they work could be possible. Going to give a lot of headaches I think.

[Binky]

I don’t really see the need to go to so much trouble and I know a lot of people have reservations about allowing programs to connect to the net - I know I do. Giving a link or a ‘find more mods online’ may help people find more, but I don’t think it needs to be that well signposted as people can just Google it.

[Taraq]

It’d be nice if some of the professions were kept separate, not all of them are really necessary and just a few basic ones would keep the character creation thing from getting too cluttered and intimidating.