# \[Minor?\] Change "Firearms" to "Projectile Weapons"

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757>\
**Category:** The Drawing Board\
**Created:** [April 10, 2013, 10:42am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757 "2013-04-10T10:42:20Z")\
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**Author:** ![kenoxite](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kenoxite/32/858_2.png) [@kenoxite](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kenoxite)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 10:42am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/1 "2013-04-10T10:42:20Z")

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Just for the sake of clarity. Seeing that the “Firearms” skill is kind of a meta-skill where anything from a handgun to a grenade launcher, or bow falls under it, wouldn’t be more appropriate to rename it to “Projectile weapons”?

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**Author:** ![Benedict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@Benedict](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Benedict)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 11:40am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/2 "2013-04-10T11:40:53Z")

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Or “Firing” or “shooting”?

I do agree with you. It would make sense, even if it’s just a minor cosmetic change.

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**Author:** ![The\_Darkling\_Wolf](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/the_darkling_wolf/32/828_2.png) [@The\_Darkling\_Wolf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/The_Darkling_Wolf)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 2:53pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/3 "2013-04-10T14:53:52Z")

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Or just ‘ranged’. I mean, we have ‘melee’.

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**Author:** ![kenoxite](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kenoxite/32/858_2.png) [@kenoxite](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kenoxite)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/4 "2013-04-10T15:21:58Z")

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That’s probably the best fit, yes.

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**Author:** ![Slax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/slax/32/5385_2.png) [@Slax](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Slax)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/5 "2013-04-10T18:27:46Z")

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Ballistics!

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**Author:** ![Benedict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@Benedict](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Benedict)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/6 "2013-04-10T20:42:28Z")

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> [@The Darkling Wolf](#):
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> Or just ‘ranged’. I mean, we have ‘melee’.

Perhaps, although that doesn’t include throwing, which is technically also ranged.

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**Author:** ![The\_Darkling\_Wolf](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/the_darkling_wolf/32/828_2.png) [@The\_Darkling\_Wolf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/The_Darkling_Wolf)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/7 "2013-04-10T21:17:03Z")

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Throwing can go suck a lemon.

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 12:31am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/8 "2013-04-11T00:31:08Z")

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Also throwing is ballistic and ranged, so either of those still fit.

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**Author:** ![Vorpal2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Vorpal2](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Vorpal2)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:50am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/9 "2013-04-11T05:50:46Z")

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Being that the firearms skill is needed to make ammo types, perhaps that could be moved around as well?

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**Author:** ![Soron](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/soron/32/885_2.png) [@Soron](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Soron)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 5:54am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/10 "2013-04-11T05:54:32Z")

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I support “shooting” as the new name, personally.

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**Author:** ![GlyphGryph](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/glyphgryph/32/847_2.png) [@GlyphGryph](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GlyphGryph)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:02pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/11 "2013-04-11T15:02:43Z")

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I’m fine leaving it as firearms. Which is just “weapons that can be fired”. Which includes all the current stuff but not throwing.

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**Author:** ![kenoxite](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kenoxite/32/858_2.png) [@kenoxite](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kenoxite)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 3:09pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/12 "2013-04-11T15:09:21Z")

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The problem is, firearms limits its definition exclusively to guns, excluding the rest of projectile weapons.

> **[firearm](http://www.thefreedictionary.com/firearm)**
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> Definition, Synonyms, Translations of firearm by The Free Dictionary

  

> **[Firearm](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm)**
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> A firearm is a portable gun (a barreled ranged weapon) that inflicts damage on targets by launching one or more projectiles driven by rapidly expanding high-pressure gas produced by exothermic combustion (deflagration) of propellant within an ammunition cartridge. If gas pressurization is not achieved via propellant combustion but through mechanical gas compression, then the gun is technically an air gun, not a firearm. The first primitive firearms originated in 10th-century China when bamboo tub...

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**Author:** ![Slax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/slax/32/5385_2.png) [@Slax](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Slax)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 7:04pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/13 "2013-04-11T19:04:24Z")

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“This covers all ranged weapons, with an exception for thrown ones.” Problem solved?

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**Author:** ![kenoxite](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kenoxite/32/858_2.png) [@kenoxite](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kenoxite)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/14 "2013-04-11T19:55:52Z")

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Changing its descriptions achieves little here. The skill name would still be misleading.

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**Author:** ![Mantar](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/mantar/32/42_2.png) [@Mantar](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Mantar)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:32pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/15 "2013-04-11T22:32:52Z")

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Throwing stuff is not really a “ranged weapon,” IMO.

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**Author:** ![Slax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/slax/32/5385_2.png) [@Slax](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Slax)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/16 "2013-04-12T14:46:49Z")

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How about Marksmanship?  
…is what I’d like to say, if only the skill didn’t cover weapon mods as well.

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**Author:** ![Psiweapon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Psiweapon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Psiweapon)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 9:36am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/17 "2013-04-13T09:36:38Z")

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A bow is not a firearm.

Ranged weapons please.

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**Author:** ![Nopkar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/34f0e0/32.png) [@Nopkar](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Nopkar)\
**Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 9:58am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/18 "2013-04-15T09:58:27Z")

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Why not have something like the Melee/subskills?

Ranged:

[ul][li]Archery[/li]  
[li]Rifles[/li]  
[li]Pistols[/li]  
[li]Throwing[/li][/ul]

etc as needed

Ranged skill would give an overall buff, specific skill values benefit the player more-so

A character with a high Ranged skill modifier would be decent with most forms of ranged weapons but someone with a high Pistol would be less effective with rifles and vice versa, even if their Ranged skill were the same.

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**Author:** ![Psiweapon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Psiweapon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Psiweapon)\
**Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:20pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/19 "2013-04-15T16:20:14Z")

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weapon category : ranged weapons

overarching skill : marksmanship

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**Author:** ![Soron](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/soron/32/885_2.png) [@Soron](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Soron)\
**Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/minor-change-firearms-to-projectile-weapons/757/20 "2013-04-15T21:17:37Z")

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[quote=“Nopkar, post:18, topic:757”]Why not have something like the Melee/subskills?

etc…[/quote]

Don’t we have essentially that system in place already? I’m not sure about throwing, and I haven’t actually checked if the code matches the documentation, but firearms is described as giving a lesser bonus compared to pistols, rifles, archery, etc.

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