# Mention if a food is perishable in the description

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**Created:** [December 21, 2013, 5:33pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mention-if-a-food-is-perishable-in-the-description/4586 "2013-12-21T17:33:54Z")\
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**Post date:** [December 22, 2013, 1:10am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mention-if-a-food-is-perishable-in-the-description/4586/21 "2013-12-22T01:10:34Z")

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> [@Rivet](#):
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> [quote=“DG123, post:19, topic:4586”]… So that’s… liquorice powder with ammonium chloride? Yuck.

Yeah. I can’t figure out how it’s even considered food in the first place.

Seems like a waste of good licorice.

The other foods are pretty normal stuff for the Northeastern USA though.[/quote]

There was a “food expansion thread” not too long ago. A buncha’ stuff got rolled into the merger and made it into the game I guess. The salmaic powder was one of them … a couple of us pointed out the “Americans won’t get what that is, nor understand why it is in the Northeast US” thing but I think it just went through as-is.

I think theres like, some weird Pork-Sticks thing in game too that felt “off” because it wasn’t found in the US.

Changing salmaic powder to pixie stix like you said, or even just “sugar/powdered candy” or whatever … and like, the Pork Sticks to Pork Rinds or Slim-Jims may smooth them?

Not to beat a dead horse but it kinda’ ties into the “too many cooks” aspect of things though, stuff slips into the main game that might not fit and then it becomes a game of finding it again and letting the right people know it might need fixin’. Easier to halt stuff at the gate and give it a once-over then try and find things once they’re loose in the zoo.

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**Post date:** [December 22, 2013, 3:32am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mention-if-a-food-is-perishable-in-the-description/4586/22 "2013-12-22T03:32:19Z")

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[quote=“DG123, post:16, topic:4586”]Canned soup rots? That sounds a bit ridiculous. Can we get that fixed?

Canned food should last for years.[/quote]

If the food is in a tin can it is automatically set to not rot. So it shouldn’t even have a chance to happen. Anyone have pics?

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**Post date:** [December 22, 2013, 3:43am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mention-if-a-food-is-perishable-in-the-description/4586/23 "2013-12-22T03:43:47Z")

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Don’t think I have pics offhand, but canned soup definitely rots, at about the same rate as regular soup. Always assumed it was intended, though.

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**Post date:** [December 22, 2013, 3:46am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mention-if-a-food-is-perishable-in-the-description/4586/24 "2013-12-22T03:46:10Z")

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> [@Inadequate](#):
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> Don’t think I have pics offhand, but canned soup definitely rots, at about the same rate as regular soup. Always assumed it was intended, though.

this

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**Post date:** [December 22, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mention-if-a-food-is-perishable-in-the-description/4586/25 "2013-12-22T04:30:31Z")

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That’s weird. I see in the json that it does have a “spoils\_in” of 120, but these lines in the code should change that:

in item::in\_its\_container(std::map\<std::string, itype\*\> \*itypes)

`if (dynamic_cast<it_comest*>(type)->container == "can_food")
        food->spoils = 0;`

Perhaps I am wrong about the lines and their actual function?

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**Post date:** [December 22, 2013, 4:51am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mention-if-a-food-is-perishable-in-the-description/4586/26 "2013-12-22T04:51:29Z")

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Perhaps that’s how it’s supposed to function, but in practice (admittedly I haven’t tested this recently so it may have changed at some point) food inside cans rots just as fast as food that’s not contained in any fashion.

But again, I may be wrong. I haven’t tested this in quite a while and perhaps it’s finally been fixed.

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**Post date:** [December 22, 2013, 5:09am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mention-if-a-food-is-perishable-in-the-description/4586/27 "2013-12-22T05:09:43Z")

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Most food in cans keeps indefinitely, only some things rot, like soup. Maybe something in the soup code overrides it?

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**Post date:** [December 22, 2013, 6:09am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mention-if-a-food-is-perishable-in-the-description/4586/28 "2013-12-22T06:09:38Z")

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Stuff in cans rots because containers have no special functions relating to food beyond being containers.

The birthday/spoil time is stored on the food itself, just in case you were to decant it into a plastic bottle or something. Or if it were some sealed non-liquid (like perhaps a can of corn) and you simply removed it.

To fix it you’d basically need to have it always assume canned stuff is non-rotten, and if something gets de-canned, to have it set the birthday to the current turn (and adjust the spoil date correctly).

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**Post date:** [December 22, 2013, 10:39am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mention-if-a-food-is-perishable-in-the-description/4586/29 "2013-12-22T10:39:45Z")

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> [@Rivet](#):
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> I’m still wondering how we got salmaic powder in-game. I thought the Finns were the only ones crazy enough to eat that stuff.

> 😮 I suggested that stuff because I saw that stuff for sale last time I visited America. And if you have really never tasted salmiac, I suggest you should. It’s actually very good.

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**Post date:** [December 22, 2013, 6:35pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mention-if-a-food-is-perishable-in-the-description/4586/30 "2013-12-22T18:35:30Z")

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> [@Zaweri Runewright](#):
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> [quote=“Rivet, post:18, topic:4586”]I’m still wondering how we got salmaic powder in-game. I thought the Finns were the only ones crazy enough to eat that stuff.

> 😮 I suggested that stuff because I saw that stuff for sale last time I visited America. And if you have really never tasted salmiac, I suggest you should. It’s actually very good.[/quote]

Where did you see it for sale, though? lol … a big common chain store that is everywhere, or a specialty market/market that deals in imported foods? … oh, and where in America were you, btw? If for instance, New York City, it definitely isn’t a good baseline to use for what New England would have on hand in a regular old town for instance.

Tweaking things to make, like, small versions of the grocery store that spawn foods from out-of-region to simulate small specialty food stores would make sense though if people wanted to leave a bunch of non-standard stuff in. It wouldn’t break immersion much to raid a corner store and see all kinds of “weird by American standards” food that I have to Google to know what it is, if its spawn location made sense in the world.

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