Melee weapon mods

[Stevensonz]

[quote=“gtaguy, post:30, topic:1825”]Well it isn’t going to be a single use item and if you are never going to use the blade then why have it?

Also it is the future, a lot of antiques have been lost to the ages. None of these would exist.

Quit trying to derail my thread.

So yeah just stat increases for melee weapons, I think once the framework is set for melee mods we could add better or more interesting mods later.

ALSO AGAIN STEVENON: just because they are different does not make them unequal in strength, pound for pound bone is stronger than steel. Fuck you, science bitch.[/quote]

Lol we have Renaissance fairs and museums anyway so those weapons would still be around even far off into the future and those weapons exist since some people are into antique weapons crafting and making them functional so even a pirate era flintlock pistol/musket is possible how much more a pistol sword/gunblade where it serves two purposes.

[Weyrling]

Lol we have Renaissance fairs and museums anyway so those weapons would still be around even far off into the future and those weapons exist since some people are into antique weapons crafting and making them functional so even a pirate era flintlock pistol/musket is possible how much more a pistol sword/gunblade where it serves two purposes.

Yea, availability of old weapons and tools and such goes back centuries because people like to collect antique stuff, but personally I’d enjoy seeing more futuristic stuff more than ancient stuff.

A pistol sword or gunblade technically serves two purposes, but perform badly at both of them.
It works okay as a gimmick for a highly skilled character, but a newbie would be better off pistol whipping his enemies in between shots with a regular pistol, the sword attachment would just get stuck…

[Stevensonz]

[quote=“Stevensonz, post:31, topic:1825”]Lol we have Renaissance fairs and museums anyway so those weapons would still be around even far off into the future and those weapons exist since some people are into antique weapons crafting and making them functional so even a pirate era flintlock pistol/musket is possible how much more a pistol sword/gunblade where it serves two purposes.

Yea, availability of old weapons and tools and such goes back centuries because people like to collect antique stuff, but personally I’d enjoy seeing more futuristic stuff more than ancient stuff.

A pistol sword or gunblade technically serves two purposes, but perform badly at both of them.
It works okay as a gimmick for a highly skilled character, but a newbie would be better off pistol whipping his enemies in between shots with a regular pistol, the sword attachment would just get stuck…[/quote]

good call, it’s technically a gimmick weapon for higher skilled characters, also about futuristic weapons well shock gauntlets would be good as it could work well with Shock cbm for double shocking power.

[PaintBucket]

[quote=“Stevensonz, post:29, topic:1825”]Bone does not have the strength of steel or concrete as their materials are different.

While bone is essentially “brittle”, it does have a significant degree of “elasticity”, contributed chiefly by" collagen". All bones consist of living and dead cells embedded in the mineralized organic matrix that makes up the osseous tissue.[/quote]
So I found this on wikipedia:

While bone is essentially brittle, it does have a significant degree of elasticity, contributed chiefly by collagen. All bones consist of living and dead cells embedded in the mineralized organic matrix that makes up the osseous tissue.

[Stevensonz]

no there is no need to re-write that text, it explains bones perfectly.
also if there will be a re-incarnate of gtagayguy that would be you as the your gtaguy.

[Stevensonz]

[quote=“gtaguy”]Fuck off, I know who you are.

Goddamn pricks.[/quote]

You don’t even know me and your behavior for constantly harassing,insulting, and cussing at me is not only rude but deserving of rest from the forums for you and makes any thing you post here lack any credibility if it’s coming from you gtaguy.

[Misha]

gunblades
good weapons

uhh
no
not at all
What you end up with is a really heavy gun that’s difficult impossible to aim and a sword that weighs more than it needs to.
So in the quest to combine the weapons you end up with one that ruins both.

In regards to the actual OP
I think that melee weapon mods are a good idea.
New grip materials, edge sharpening, adding nails or bolts or barbed wire, all of these could make melee weapons a more interesting choice.

[Misha]

You don’t even know me and your behavior for constantly harassing,insulting, and cussing at me is not only rude but deserving of rest from the forums for you and makes any thing you post here lack any credibility if it’s coming from you gtaguy.

Saying stupid things and not expecting people to call you on them is a little bit unrealistic.

[system]

Quite.

If you wouldn’t be arguing with me and derailing my thread I would be a much more pleasant person. But since you refuse to be anything other than shit I will treat you as such.

[Senrain]

[quote=“Stevensonz, post:21, topic:1825”][quote=“Xommers, post:19, topic:1825”]Re: Gunblade
Simply stick a bayonet on your revolver.[/quote]

Nope a bayonet is meant for piercing, not cutting with a little bash like Gun blades would do also real life gun blades existed and was used in naval warfare look up pistol swords.

so we have two probable items, Pistol Swords easier to make but limited shot and modern gun blade harder to make but packs more punch and capability of 6 shots[/quote]

There’s a very good reason we don’t stick blades on our guns anymore, they are more of a hassle than they are useful.

I don’t like the idea of sticking a sword on a pistol, I’d be fine with bayonets on rifles so I can stab anything that gets close.

[TaigaR]

If we have laser guns, why theres no hi-tech melee weapons?
Vibro-blades, chainsaw swords, maybe molecular knives. (but no laser swords!)
What do you think about that?

[ted]

[quote=“TaigaR, post:41, topic:1825”]If we have laser guns, why theres no hi-tech melee weapons?
Vibro-blades, chainsaw swords, maybe molecular knives. (but no laser swords!)
What do you think about that?[/quote]

Why are chainswords good, but laser swords bad? They’re equally ridiculous (and desirable).

I think craftable melee weapon mods, as described in the OP, are not a great idea. If you can craft it easily (they mostly don’t sound difficult), stick it on your weapon, and (mostly?) forget about it, it’s just a little dance you do when you get a new weapon, and another thing newbies have to learn. Gunmods are okay because you have to find most of them, and at one point you had to choose which ones to use in your limited gunmod slots.

[system]

Ted these are basic stat increases.

Now after they get added we can throw in some uber cool ones like a laser edge or hydraulics. Which wouldn’t be craft able.

[ted]

The fact that it’s just basic stat increases for simple crafts is why I don’t like it.

[Weyrling]

I think craftable melee weapon mods, as described in the OP, are not a great idea. If you can craft it easily (they mostly don’t sound difficult), stick it on your weapon, and (mostly?) forget about it, it’s just a little dance you do when you get a new weapon, and another thing newbies have to learn. Gunmods are okay because you have to find most of them, and at one point you had to choose which ones to use in your limited gunmod slots.

In regards to “another thing newbies have to learn”, have you played any other roguelikes? Most roguelikes have a ton of stuff to learn, most of it not particularly relevant at all times.
You don’t have to mod your melee weapons, newbies don’t have to learn how to, they’re plenty effective right now, but it would be both plausible and awesome to do so.

The draw of many roguelikes is that you can keep learning new things, adapting new strategies, and dying in new hilariously horrific ways.

The fact that it’s just basic stat increases for simple crafts is why I don’t like it.

Most changes that are even slightly plausible to make to a melee weapon will not have dramatic changes in how said weapon is used.

We could either ignore all of those realistically plausible and useful, but minor, modifications in favor of more interesting and major modifications, or just do both.

[Stevensonz]

[quote=“gtaguy, post:43, topic:1825”]Ted these are basic stat increases.

Now after they get added we can throw in some uber cool ones like a laser edge or hydraulics. Which wouldn’t be craft able.[/quote]

why add something that is a melee weapon that wouldn’t be craft-able? Add in something that doesn’t spawn anywhere but craft-able is better for higher end rewards in regards to crafting. (Makes sense for laser edge/Light Saber weapons using high crafting skills) or you can find them but they are rare like 5 rarity and can also craft them with a level 6-9 recipe.

[system]

Because it is fairly easy to get crafting skills up.

Now if it isn’t craft able it will be a lot more satisfying finding and applying one.

[ted]

[quote=“Weyrling, post:45, topic:1825”]In regards to “another thing newbies have to learn”, have you played any other roguelikes? Most roguelikes have a ton of stuff to learn, most of it not particularly relevant at all times.
You don’t have to mod your melee weapons, newbies don’t have to learn how to, they’re plenty effective right now, but it would be both plausible and awesome to do so.[/quote]
It wouldn’t actually be awesome. It would be a boring obligation for people who know to do it, and a hindrance for people who don’t know that they’re supposed to, because balance would inevitably shift towards the assumption that you know to do it. No one benefits. Why add it?

[Stevensonz]

[quote=“gtaguy, post:47, topic:1825”]Because it is fairly easy to get crafting skills up.

Now if it isn’t craft able it will be a lot more satisfying finding and applying one.[/quote]

You can make it hard to craft by using rarer materials or a recipe hidden in a book (or hard recipe+book) and it’s still a melee weapon no sense if you can’t custom craft it and out-power a gun.

[Weyrling]

First off I’d like to say that I’m not too enthused about any particular implementation suggested, just that I would like to see the ability to modify melee weapons more than “add nails to a board/bat”.

It wouldn’t actually be awesome. It would be a boring obligation for people who know to do it, and a hindrance for people who don’t know that they’re supposed to, because balance would inevitably shift towards the assumption that you know to do it. No one benefits. Why add it?

Metagaming is not obligatory, you don’t have to try to be amazing at everything possible, I can go months in game without even using a melee weapon, why would a highly effective modified weapon be obligatory?
Even modifying your guns isn’t obligatory (A basic SMG is highly effective with a little skill and ammo), neither is building a fortress, or crafting your own stuff, or becoming a cyborg/mutant, even using vehicles isn’t necessary.
You can live almost forever using a handful of bear traps, a longbow, and hand made tools.

Why have CBMs, or gun mods, or crafting, or construction? Obviously they’re just more things for people to learn, and a hindrance for people who don’t know how to properly utilize them.

I don’t ask why?, I ask why not?
(PS: “This is a waste of developer time” is a pretty good reason")