# Lying on a rooftop should make you invisible to creatures one z level below

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**Created:** [October 15, 2021, 5:33pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/lying-on-a-rooftop-should-make-you-invisible-to-creatures-one-z-level-below/27173 "2021-10-15T17:33:22Z")\
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**Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 5:33pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/lying-on-a-rooftop-should-make-you-invisible-to-creatures-one-z-level-below/27173/1 "2021-10-15T17:33:23Z")

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I noticed that we added prone to the game now, however i’m quite sure what exactly it does (besides making toggling move more laborious). One thing I noticed it _didn’t_ do however is seem to affect whether or not monsters can see me below a rooftop. I would think that because of perspective there’s no possible way you should be able to see somebody lying down on a flat roof (as considering most roofs don’t seem to be sloped) because the wall would obstruct your view

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**Author:** ![Purdurabo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/purdurabo/32/11405_2.png) [@Purdurabo](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Purdurabo)\
**Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 6:59pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/lying-on-a-rooftop-should-make-you-invisible-to-creatures-one-z-level-below/27173/2 "2021-10-15T18:59:46Z")

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Monsters can’t see across Z-levels unless you have experimental 3d fov enabled and that is pretty buggy.

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**Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/lying-on-a-rooftop-should-make-you-invisible-to-creatures-one-z-level-below/27173/3 "2021-10-15T20:44:03Z")

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Going prone should also reduce visibility similar to crouching.

Also, going prone to avoid or lessen the chance of breathing in smoke and gasses should be implemented.

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**Author:** ![EnDSchultz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e95f7d/32.png) [@EnDSchultz](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/EnDSchultz)\
**Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 11:30pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/lying-on-a-rooftop-should-make-you-invisible-to-creatures-one-z-level-below/27173/4 "2021-11-22T23:30:07Z")

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Hate to necro a post, but what _does_ prone do exactly at this time? All I can see is that it catastrophically cripples your movement speed but I can’t tell that it reduces your visibility at all.

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**Author:** ![Rot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/rot/32/454_2.png) [@Rot](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Rot)\
**Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 2:22am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/lying-on-a-rooftop-should-make-you-invisible-to-creatures-one-z-level-below/27173/5 "2021-11-23T02:22:55Z")

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It does reduce visibility, I normally don’t go prone but I’ve noticed you can duck under windows and take cover under tables when you’re prone. This has the effect of reducing LOS or sight lines between you and zombies. Doesn’t matter if they notice you for a millisecond though, since all zombies effectively have 360 degree vision, your best bet is to do it preemptively, like when you see an open window during the daylight and you want to avoid detection.

Haven’t tested it but I’ve heard that your accuracy with guns (namely dispersion) is reduced when you’re prone.

Also, zombies and other mobs can smell you, so remember that.

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**Author:** ![Dredd501](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/dredd501/32/5092_2.png) [@Dredd501](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Dredd501)\
**Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 9:13pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/lying-on-a-rooftop-should-make-you-invisible-to-creatures-one-z-level-below/27173/6 "2021-11-23T21:13:37Z")

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I’d like this comment twice, if I could. LOL

Everything that they said above

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**Post date:** [November 26, 2021, 2:17pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/lying-on-a-rooftop-should-make-you-invisible-to-creatures-one-z-level-below/27173/7 "2021-11-26T14:17:49Z")

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reduced?! why the heck is it reduced? there’s less recoil so why is it less accurate?  
was that a typo?

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**Author:** ![PALU](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e56c9b/32.png) [@PALU](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/PALU)\
**Post date:** [November 26, 2021, 2:31pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/lying-on-a-rooftop-should-make-you-invisible-to-creatures-one-z-level-below/27173/8 "2021-11-26T14:31:12Z")

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I’d expect it to be a reference mishap. Dispersion (i.e. bullet spread) ought to be reduced, so accuracy ought to be increased.

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**Author:** ![Rot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/rot/32/454_2.png) [@Rot](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Rot)\
**Post date:** [November 26, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/lying-on-a-rooftop-should-make-you-invisible-to-creatures-one-z-level-below/27173/9 "2021-11-26T15:38:24Z")

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Dispersion means sway or getting knocked off target, the lower your dispersion the more accurate you are.

Recoil doesn’t matter as long as your sight dispersion stays as close to 0 as possible. If your dispersion is 0 every shot you take won’t knock you off target and force you to re-aim, thus your accuracy is increased.

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**Post date:** [January 8, 2022, 7:15am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/lying-on-a-rooftop-should-make-you-invisible-to-creatures-one-z-level-below/27173/10 "2022-01-08T07:15:56Z")

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My biggest problem with prone is that it doesn’t act like **crouch** when behind obstacles that would make you invisible to creatures on the other side. You should also be able to hide underneath tables but that doesn’t seem to work either from what I’ve noticed.