Lootable Minutes Mod

[Weyrling]

Hmm, I assume you were just using it repeatedly while standing in one place?
I thought I had fixed that, but apparently not. I’ll see what I can do.

[Malkeus]

If I wait after activating, nothing changes. If I activate and walk a step, sometimes it increments
If I wait in place more than once, it decrements when I move or wait. But it’s not a 1 to 1 ratio.

edit: spawned in some minutes, they seem to work just fine. very cool!

[Weyrling]

Try redownloading the new version.

I fixed the negative turns issue, but I’m not sure why I can’t make using the item cost actual moves, as opposed to subtracting them with Lua.
I’m probably missing something.

[Malkeus]

hmm…It’s not going negative anymore I’ve found a big reason why it was behaving weirdly before. I was wielding it. Now I can charge it if I have it in inventory, but wielding it and using ‘A’ shows the message but doesn’t change the charges.

edit: Given that limitation, would it be possible to give it a unique name on the action menu? I’ve got 5 things that are just ‘Use:’

Makes it hard to assign a keybind.
edit2:make that a dozen things labels “Use”
edit3: It only charges occasionally, and only if I take a step. It takes a lot of keypresses and I still haven’t managed to fully charge the thing. I think this would work better as a toggleable item that increased your movement costs and occasionally dropped a Minute in your pocket.
edit4: As soon as I went back to the game it started working as expected, I don’t freakin understand computers sometimes.

[Weyrling]

I’ve found why it’s so inconsistent.
I was apparently using movecounter instead of moves, so you were stealing time from your past self, once one starts messing with time this can be a negative value, so you were actually throwing your time into the extradimensional maw from which it came.

Anyways a passive drag might be a more sensible approach, I’ll see about changing it so that it just drains a certain amount of moves every turn which should avoid all the weirdness.

[Malkeus]

It’s time…it’s wibbly wobbly. I’d say a passive approach or enable setting an amount of time to spend storing moves. It takes a lot of keypresses to get one minute, kinda like trading a minute irl for a minute in game. Not a good trade I could make a macro or something, but in this I agree with Kevin, (horrible paraphrase) if you need a 3rd party program to make a feature bearable, somethings wrong with the feature.

[Weyrling]

I’ve implemented an ‘over time’ approach, where you cast the net and it slows you down, when it charges it simply adds a Minute to your inventory.
You can redownload if you want to use this version.

[Malkeus]

Thanks for being so responsive on this, it’s a really amazing and original idea. I’m not 100% on this, but player:mod_moves(-20) actually seems to speed me up. I’m basing this on how many moves my last turn took when I wait one turn with ‘.’ My base speed is 125. With the TN off, I wait a turn and the turns last turn took is 125. Activate the net, wait a turn, turns last turn took is 105. It’s confusing the heck outta me. Am I faster or slower?
What if you added an effect with player:add_effect in a similar fashion to shards speedydex mod

[Weyrling]

It ticks over the clock, if you have a watch and look closely you’ll notice that 12 seconds pass every few turns.
Edit: Also the counter is how many moves the turn took, I think subtracting moves makes it think it spent fewer moves.

[Malkeus]

I’ve been playing with the numbers. This is a very direct way of doing what shard did with the addeffect heh…still has the same issues with stamina if you boost the speed too much. I don’t think I noticed it while the Minute was in effect, not enough duration to be an issue i guess.
Managed to lock up my game my making it take more moves than I had too, that was entertaining.

[Weyrling]

I might look into making it run off an effect later but I don’t have time right now.
Thanks for the suggestion of making it a toggle though, makes it a lot more convenient to utilize.

[Malkeus]

This was fun, I got to watch my suggestions come to life. Thanks for bringing this to the board.

[Weyrling]

If you come up with some other interesting ideas I can see about making them, I don’t intend to dive into the actual codebase though, so no promises.

[Malkeus]

just a thought, but at these settings it takes about 4 hours to gain a Minute. I’m a greedy bastard so I’m increasing that number so I can get a minute in about an hour

[Ricky_Van]

seeing that minus temporal net…

“Doc, can we go back in time? i forgot where the exit goes…”

[Weyrling]

Update: I’ve added a menu for casting the net, which allows you to choose Forwards or Backwards, if you cast the net Forwards it steals time from you as normal, if you cast the net Backwards it drains the net to make you a bit faster.

You can still obtain Minutes, but I’ve made them take even longer to acquire (6 and a half hours).

[Trigon]

This actually seems very interesting. I’m a sucker for temporal fuckery in fiction.

[Malkeus]

I’m getting this error:
DEBUG : Missing item definition: time_net_active

FUNCTION : const itype* Item_factory::find_template(const itype_id&) const
FILE : src/item_factory.cpp
LINE : 1148

It also turns any active temporal nets into a glitched item with a debug name, which does nothing. You’ll get the debug message every world load unless you delete the broken item.

I copied the entry for time_net_active out of the last version and the error is gone. It brings up the Forward/Backward menu when you activate instead of folding, but everything acts normally after that, since it’s using the new items.

edit: I don’t think the check for the presence of the temporal net is working. If I activate the temporal net and then drop it, I get a Minute every turn.

[Weyrling]

I did not make it backwards compatible, forgot about that.
I’m not entirely sure how to fix that, now that you’ve modified it yourself.

The easiest way would probably be to go into your save file and manually delete everything related to the mod, at which point it should work fine.
Mod adds three values to the player so you’d have to open up the .sav and delete the Timenet, TimenetCast, and TimenetRelease values, as well as getting rid of any time nets you have.

Sorry about that, it didn’t even occur to me that might become an issue.

[Malkeus]

I’ll try uninstalling everything like you say and see if the problems still present. It’ll have to wait til later though, headed to work now.