# Light Step: Mutable? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Garage\ **Created:** [July 19, 2013, 10:15pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/light-step-mutable/2301 "2013-07-19T22:15:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 10:15pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/light-step-mutable/2301/1 "2013-07-19T22:15:27Z")
Was going through the 28Jun mutationdata.cpp and if I read it right, Light Step is part of the Bird category, but apparently not a valid mutation of itself. (So you’d either take it at chargen, at which point it does nothing for your mutation categories, or you’d never have it at all.) Confirm/deny, anyone? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Tamunshin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Tamunshin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Tamunshin)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/light-step-mutable/2301/2 "2013-07-20T01:39:41Z")
My quick look through seems to confirm that. In addition, the Quick trait seems to be the same, it’s in the bird, insect and troglodyte categories, but can’t be mutated naturally. ---
**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/light-step-mutable/2301/3 "2013-07-20T15:20:04Z")
[quote=“Tamunshin, post:2, topic:2301”]My quick look through seems to confirm that. In addition, the Quick trait seems to be the same, it’s in the bird, insect and troglodyte categories, but can’t be mutated naturally.[/quote] Then, maybe not: I’m confident that I’ve mutated Quick (extra fun when it turns up alongside Ponderous) before. My characters take Light Step at chargen. Might have to resort to the debug menu… ---
**Author:** ![Oragepoilu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4da419/32.png) [@Oragepoilu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Oragepoilu)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:40pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/light-step-mutable/2301/4 "2013-07-20T20:40:42Z")
Light step and Quick can be aquired by mutation. Tested and approuved from 7.1, 7.0, 6 and some night build between. Instead of looking in the file, just allow debug mod and give you some mutation potion 😛 ---
**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:50pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/light-step-mutable/2301/5 "2013-07-20T20:50:20Z")
[quote=“Oragepoilu, post:4, topic:2301”]Light step and Quick can be aquired by mutation. Tested and approuved from 7.1, 7.0, 6 and some night build between. Instead of looking in the file, just allow debug mod and give you some mutation potion :p[/quote] Good to know. My current character (28Jun) is capable of reliably making any mutagen/purifier you’d like. Was in the files because the new category-enforcement seemed interesting enough to warrant compiling statistics on categories/mutations. ---
**Author:** ![Oragepoilu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4da419/32.png) [@Oragepoilu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Oragepoilu)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/light-step-mutable/2301/6 "2013-07-20T21:02:28Z")
Well i didn’t understand at all the second sentence but no problem. ---
**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/light-step-mutable/2301/7 "2013-07-20T21:21:49Z")
> [@Oragepoilu](#): > > Well i didn’t understand at all the second sentence but no problem. Ka’lol has Cooking 11. Therefore: if he has access to the tools and ingredients, he can make any mutagen or purifier in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Oragepoilu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4da419/32.png) [@Oragepoilu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Oragepoilu)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 10:13pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/light-step-mutable/2301/8 "2013-07-20T22:13:59Z")
Sorry for my bad english, but for me : > [@KA101](#): > > Good to know. My current character (28Jun) is capable of reliably making any mutagen/purifier you’d like.Was in the files because the new category-enforcement seemed interesting enough to warrant compiling statistics on categories/mutations. Was counting in my head 2 sentence. I just don’t get the meaning of the last underligned sentence (here, no mistake now about what i want to say). Not very important tougth, don’t spend too much time trying to get me understand something 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Tamunshin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Tamunshin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Tamunshin)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/light-step-mutable/2301/9 "2013-07-21T00:10:38Z")
Oragepoilu, are you certain that you mutated these traits with regular mutagen, and not category mutagen? I did some pretty extensive testing and failed to mutate either of these using plain mutagen a single time. Although using the category mutagen seems to allow them. ---
**Author:** ![Oragepoilu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4da419/32.png) [@Oragepoilu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Oragepoilu)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2013, 7:12am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/light-step-mutable/2301/10 "2013-07-21T07:12:42Z")
I didn’t test with normal mutagen in 7.x but i know iv already, in a night build, get light step with a random one (was my first drink also, kinda usefull to avoid mass Z in early game). Thus, when you pick a normal potion, your mute toward a style, so if you don’t mute toward one of the 3 that allow this mutation it’s likely you won’t get it. but i think you already know that. ---
**Author:** ![i2amroy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/i2amroy/32/909_2.png) [@i2amroy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/i2amroy)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2013, 7:53am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/light-step-mutable/2301/11 "2013-07-21T07:53:28Z")
This has been fixed in the nightlies. Thank you for reporting it.