# Latest experimental features: tangent and new feature discussion

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**Created:** [August 2, 2016, 10:18am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/latest-experimental-features-tangent-and-new-feature-discussion/12750 "2016-08-02T10:18:05Z")\
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> [@Latest experimental features](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/latest-experimental-features/5582/991):
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> The PPSh has 35- and 71-round magazines. (could someone provide a reference for the unloaded weight for the Soviet 71-round drum magazine with the 1mm wall?)

I know this is super-old, but in case you are still interested, [http://world.guns.ru/smg/rus/pca-41-r.html](http://world.guns.ru/smg/rus/pca-41-r.html) quotes PPSh mass with 71-round magazine as 5.45kg, and w/o as 3.63kg, from which trivial math and non-trivial assumptions suggest the magazine is ca. 1.82kg.

OTOH, [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Пистолет-пулемёт\_Шпагина](https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%91%D1%82_%D0%A8%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0) says it’s 5.3kg with LOADED magazine, so go figure…

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