# Kickstarter Thread - The Kickstarter is being fulfilled

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854>\
**Category:** Announcements\
**Created:** [June 22, 2013, 4:11am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854 "2013-06-22T04:11:52Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![HRose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ed655f/32.png) [@HRose](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/HRose)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 7:49am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/201 "2013-08-22T07:49:46Z")

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If you are working on tiles, can you at least think about decoupling the graphic window from the rest of the text?

Being forced to use the same grid size for the graphic cells and for the text completely defies the point of tilesets. I know the old versions based on Whales Cataclysm could do this.

 ![](http://loopingworld.com/misc/catat2.jpg)

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**Author:** ![CIB](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/cib/32/903_2.png) [@CIB](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/CIB)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 8:22am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/202 "2013-08-22T08:22:30Z")

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[quote=“HRose, post:201, topic:1854”]If you are working on tiles, can you at least think about decoupling the graphic window from the rest of the text?

Being forced to use the same grid size for the graphic cells and for the text completely defies the point of tilesets. I know the old versions based on Whales Cataclysm could do this.

 ![](http://loopingworld.com/misc/catat2.jpg)[/quote]

That post before you is troll. GalenEvil already did ensure to implement the feature you suggest. Look closely at:  
 ![](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108102506/DDA/Tiles_minor_additions.png)

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**Author:** ![HRose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ed655f/32.png) [@HRose](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/HRose)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 11:00am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/203 "2013-08-22T11:00:03Z")

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If it’s already like that then good.

But what should I see there? It seems to me the fonts are exactly the same size of the tiles. If they are not, fine. It simply means I’m wrong.

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**Author:** ![CIB](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/cib/32/903_2.png) [@CIB](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/CIB)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 11:36am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/204 "2013-08-22T11:36:39Z")

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If you look closely, the tiles are square, but the font isn’t(it’s exactly 2x1 font per tile).

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**Author:** ![GlyphGryph](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/glyphgryph/32/847_2.png) [@GlyphGryph](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GlyphGryph)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 3:01pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/205 "2013-08-22T15:01:16Z")

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Admittedly that doesn’t mean it’s decoupled - it could just mean that it’s coupled but tiles are two spaces wide.

I do agree that a complete decoupled is probably the most desirable way to go, but it may not be the most time-efficient way to go. And there’s the question about how much it adds.

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**Author:** ![GalenEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f04885/32.png) [@GalenEvil](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GalenEvil)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 12:51pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/206 "2013-08-23T12:51:26Z")

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Tiles are decoupled mostly from font size. In the main game screen it shows as many tiles as possible that fit within the fontwidth \* view width, fontheight \* view height values. I am pretty sure that’s the only part that explicitly is restricted by font size. Keeps the game in the same screenspace as curses versions while restricting the per-screen viewable area a bit.

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**Author:** ![TheGrifter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@TheGrifter](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheGrifter)\
**Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 3:42am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/207 "2013-08-24T03:42:45Z")

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How’s progress coming along on Scenarios? I know tilesets are the big thing, but I keep finding mission items like black boxes, and it makes me wonder how that’s gonna work.

Of course, I can’t figure out the quests that are already in the game, so go figure.

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**Author:** ![GalenEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f04885/32.png) [@GalenEvil](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GalenEvil)\
**Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 4:04am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/208 "2013-08-24T04:04:59Z")

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Scenarios have gotten very little attention lately, I’ll write up some notes Saturday and Sunday on scenarios in addition to the other KS goals. I am open to suggestions for what should be supported by it.

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**Author:** ![GalenEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f04885/32.png) [@GalenEvil](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GalenEvil)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 12:15am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/209 "2013-08-27T00:15:49Z")

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Snow tiles (yes, I know my snow tiles look crappy but they look a little like snowflakes atleast :D)

![](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108102506/DDA/Tiles/Tiles_Snow.png)

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 1:04am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/210 "2013-08-27T01:04:13Z")

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Now, are those snow-covered tiles, or (more likely) weather: snowfall?

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**Author:** ![TheGrifter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@TheGrifter](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheGrifter)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 1:07am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/211 "2013-08-27T01:07:17Z")

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What’re you guys gonna call the new version, .8?

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**Author:** ![i2amroy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/i2amroy/32/909_2.png) [@i2amroy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/i2amroy)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 1:10am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/212 "2013-08-27T01:10:44Z")

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> [@KA101](#):
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> Now, are those snow-covered tiles, or (more likely) weather: snowfall?

Snowfall.

> [@TheGrifter](#):
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> What’re you guys gonna call the new version, .8?

We’ll probably decide the night before we release it. 😛

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**Author:** ![xLemor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ea5d25/32.png) [@xLemor](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/xLemor)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 2:40am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/213 "2013-08-27T02:40:39Z")

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> [@i2amroy](#):
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> [quote=“KA101, post:210, topic:1854”]Now, are those snow-covered tiles, or (more likely) weather: snowfall?

Snowfall.

> [@TheGrifter](#):
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> What’re you guys gonna call the new version, .8?

We’ll probably decide the night before we release it. :P[/quote]

Hoes and Hobos

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**Author:** ![TheGrifter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@TheGrifter](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheGrifter)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 11:40pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/214 "2013-08-27T23:40:15Z")

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What’s the latest downloadable version? Experimental, even.

Meet us half way. I can wait, but others can’t and people are getting restless.

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**Author:** ![TheGrifter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@TheGrifter](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheGrifter)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/215 "2013-08-27T23:52:29Z")

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I remember the tileset Whale’s version had… Why can’t we just use that, and then use letters to represent the things we don’t have icons for?

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**Author:** ![i2amroy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/i2amroy/32/909_2.png) [@i2amroy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/i2amroy)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2013, 12:03am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/216 "2013-08-28T00:03:08Z")

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> [@TheGrifter](#):
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> I remember the tileset Whale’s version had… Why can’t we just use that, and then use letters to represent the things we don’t have icons for?

Umm… Because the versions aren’t even close to being compatible? There are over 1000 code commits between version .7.1 and the upcoming version .8 alone, each one of which has the potential to break things. Not to mention we’ve added in mac compatibility and SDL compatibility (both things which the tiles need to be compatible with).

Also note that until .8 is officially released the experimental will still be listed as .7.1, despite the fact that it will be something like 95% the same as version .8.

Also ignore DownUnder, it’s just LazyCat again (and what he’s saying isn’t even true anymore).

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**Author:** ![TheGrifter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@TheGrifter](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheGrifter)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/217 "2013-08-28T00:18:12Z")

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I feel like you have some legitimate complaints. I myself wonder why they cannot just ask Gremour for help.

Explain your side of the story, Lazy Cat. I want to hear how you and them got so… feuding against eachother. This kickstarter thing seems kind of weird, I’ll admit, but I think it’s for the better. I hope so, atleast. But throwing money at something doesn’t necessarily make it better.

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**Author:** ![TheGrifter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@TheGrifter](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheGrifter)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2013, 12:20am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/218 "2013-08-28T00:20:14Z")

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Oh God… Now I see what you mean… Gremour’s are so much… for a lack of a better word, prettier.

Can’t we use some of the kick starter money to hire Gremour?

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**Author:** ![HRose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ed655f/32.png) [@HRose](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/HRose)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2013, 2:46am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/219 "2013-08-28T02:46:26Z")

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I saw this screenshot (it will probably disappear in the next few hours), anyone knows how it can be achieved?

![](http://images.4chan.org/vg/src/1377539793064.png)

The best thing for me would be having all text like that, and 9x9 ASCII for the graphic. If the two are truly decoupled and if that font already works, then I guess I could simply load the 9x9 ASCII as a bitmap.

Would that be possible?

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2013, 3:09am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/kickstarter-thread-the-kickstarter-is-being-fulfilled/1854/220 "2013-08-28T03:09:28Z")

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What do you mean how can it be achieved? There’s nothing unusual there except perhaps a nice font, which is supported, and basically arbitrary fonts and tiles will be interoperable.

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