# Japanese combat shovels
**URL:** https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305
**Category:** The Drawing Board
**Created:** [May 29, 2014, 2:16am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305 "2014-05-29T02:16:21Z")
**Posts on this page:** 16
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [May 29, 2014, 2:16am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/1 "2014-05-29T02:16:21Z")
Ever heard of these things? Saw, knife, shovel, measuring rod, grappling hook, shield, is there anything this thing can’t do?
Probably, but it’s fairly useful and should be included. It combines a lot of tools into one object without an integrated toolset.
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### Author:  [@Garm](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Garm)
#### Post date: [May 29, 2014, 2:27am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/2 "2014-05-29T02:27:41Z")
So…fancy version of sapper shovel?
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### Author:  [@Birdie](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Birdie)
#### Post date: [May 29, 2014, 2:42am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/3 "2014-05-29T02:42:17Z")
Why would japanese combat shovels be in north america?
Then again, there are katanas.
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [May 29, 2014, 2:46am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/4 "2014-05-29T02:46:45Z")
It’s the future and these are vastly superior military tools than what our troops have currently. So obviously they’d have immigrated over here with the military being everywhere.
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### Author:  [@Dec](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Dec)
#### Post date: [May 29, 2014, 5:30am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/5 "2014-05-29T05:30:57Z")
Hell yeah! Combat shovels! Mi-go sons-a-bitches better watch out.
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### Author:  [@kilozombie](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kilozombie)
#### Post date: [May 29, 2014, 2:15pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/6 "2014-05-29T14:15:25Z")
We could get away with just “combat shovel”, it easily may have migrated overseas during Present-to-Cata time.
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### Author:  [@Funk](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Funk)
#### Post date: [May 29, 2014, 3:24pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/7 "2014-05-29T15:24:19Z")
Is this what you mean [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b60OZhrTB6o[/url]
of the Chinese super Shovel that does everything?
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### Author:  [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)
#### Post date: [May 29, 2014, 11:05pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/8 "2014-05-29T23:05:10Z")
I’d rather have a survivors rendition of a combat shovel.
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### Author:  [@StopSignal](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/StopSignal)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2014, 12:31am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/9 "2014-05-30T00:31:03Z")
[quote=“Funk, post:7, topic:6305”]Is this what you mean [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b60OZhrTB6o[/url]
of the Chinese super Shovel that does everything?[/quote]
THIS PLEASE.
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### Author:  [@Natures\_Witness](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Natures_Witness)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2014, 1:43am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/10 "2014-05-30T01:43:03Z")
Youtube won’t let me see the video, what is it?
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### Author:  [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2014, 4:29am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/11 "2014-05-30T04:29:37Z")
> [@Natures Witness](#):
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> Youtube won’t let me see the video, what is it?
It’s a folding shovel that also can be used to chop things, folded & thrown as a grapple, folded for use as pliers, and probably half a dozen other uses.
KA101 holds out for the griddle shovel, so he can dig the firepit and then cook his pancakes with one handy tool!
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### Author:  [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2014, 4:34am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/12 "2014-05-30T04:34:36Z")
just as soon as we have the code in place to make it TERRIBLE at all those functions.
…and play that music every time you use it.
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### Author:  [@youtoo](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/youtoo)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2014, 3:06pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/13 "2014-05-31T15:06:46Z")
You can make a mod for this? I think they moved all the items to the xml extensions. There are instructions on the mod forum on how to add them.
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### Author:  [@StopSignal](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/StopSignal)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2014, 3:14pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/14 "2014-05-31T15:14:12Z")
> [@Kevin Granade](#):
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> …and play that music every time you use it.
YES.
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### Author:  [@Markutsk](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Markutsk)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2014, 3:20pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/15 "2014-05-31T15:20:59Z")
[quote=“Funk, post:7, topic:6305”]Is this what you mean [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b60OZhrTB6o[/url]
of the Chinese super Shovel that does everything?[/quote]
Woah.
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### Author:  [@Garm](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Garm)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2014, 3:33pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/japanese-combat-shovels/6305/16 "2014-05-31T15:33:34Z")
Guys…this _is_ standard definition of sapper shovel, heck I have two at home.
They are good for small boat trips and similar camping trips since they take less space than all these tools combined. They are not bad per se - they are unwieldy. Due to small handle (designed for mobility and less encumbrance) you will spend a ton more energy doing all these tasks.
Yes its a shovel - yes you can dig with it. Digging a 1m deep hole in the ground with it will be a torture.
Yes its a pick\hoe - but using it for something large you can kiss your back goodbye: watch the video and look at soldier stance.
At the same time:
They are good for digging out places for campfire, burying waste, gathering kindling, and creating basic camping tools (stakes for the tent etc) essentially stuff that takes 10 min or less of work due to aforementioned problems.