# It took 3 characters but I finally got my first kill, are you proud of me?

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606>\
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**Created:** [February 17, 2022, 7:00pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606 "2022-02-17T19:00:31Z")\
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**Author:** ![MisterDoge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/misterdoge/32/11787_2.png) [@MisterDoge](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/MisterDoge)\
**Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 7:00pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606/1 "2022-02-17T19:00:31Z")

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(first of all this is my first time using a forum so lmk if I’m doing this wrong)

My first character died to a pack of zombie cows at a dairy farm. My second character died after having his arm blown off while kiting a zombie through a minefield. My third character left his survival shelter, got spotted by a zombie dog, and bashed it to death with his cell phone (shoutout Nokia), achieving major blood loss in the process. I’m basically an expert now. I’ll soon go on to conquer the world…once I figure out how to stop the bleeding.

What are some small wins that made your day while playing Cataclysm?

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**Author:** ![NetSysFire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/97f17d/32.png) [@NetSysFire](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/NetSysFire)\
**Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606/2 "2022-02-17T20:02:32Z")

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Mi-go spawned next to a slime pit. It singlehandedly wiped them all out and then, after being heavily wounded due to taking down 200 slimes or so, got taken down by me with primitive weapons. I could finally reach another part of the map. That was nice.

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**Author:** ![MisterDoge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/misterdoge/32/11787_2.png) [@MisterDoge](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/MisterDoge)\
**Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606/3 "2022-02-17T20:05:37Z")

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That’s wild. I’m new to the game so I’ve only heard mentions of mi-gos and slimes myself. Are mi-gos really that tough? Or are slimes really that weak?

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**Author:** ![NetSysFire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/97f17d/32.png) [@NetSysFire](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/NetSysFire)\
**Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606/4 "2022-02-17T20:07:27Z")

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The problem is that slimes split. Mi-gos definitely are tough and even more so if they are in groups or there are special types of mi-go you will usually only find in mi-go structures, which can heavily debuff you.

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**Author:** ![AcidAntOnAMinefield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@AcidAntOnAMinefield](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/AcidAntOnAMinefield)\
**Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606/5 "2022-02-17T20:32:18Z")

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Almost all small wins I’ve had were followed by instant-fails.  
A few examples I can remember from old versions of the game:

- When Mooses (Meese? Meeses?) were the most dreaded character killers in the game, I took 3 steps out of the starting shelter and got attacked by one, who would just essentially turn me into mush. I yelled at him enough times that he ran away from me. I made my way back into the shelter with a broken arm, on day one. I decided it was smart to go the other way around. As soon as I open the door, a Mi-Go steps in. Yeah.

- Night raiding for food. Walking around with only the squares surrounding my character available as my night vision. I got “tagged” by a boomer. I lost my vision and decided to use my towel. I moved into the house that was just to the south of my position and managed to lose him. I felt quite happy with myself seeing this was like 3 or 4 days into the game, at the time, a record for me. I, for some reason, became emboldened and went back outside to the east and decided to cross the road to get to the grocery store I was wanting to raid. Dumbest decision because I had never been to that area and it just happened that I stepped into one of the (now obsolete) random minefields - they used to have 4 “signs” on each “corner” of their square, but I just managed to enter the field via the very middle it seems. I never got to the grocery shop.

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**Author:** ![MisterDoge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/misterdoge/32/11787_2.png) [@MisterDoge](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/MisterDoge)\
**Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606/6 "2022-02-17T20:39:55Z")

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Incredible. Why were meeses so overpowered? I understand that they’re absolutely massive in real life and could probably one-shot a human if threatened.

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**Author:** ![AcidAntOnAMinefield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@AcidAntOnAMinefield](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/AcidAntOnAMinefield)\
**Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606/7 "2022-02-17T21:21:02Z")

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Back then (in-game) they were just hostile but that was fixed now that they are neutral _almost all the time_ - does not apply during Autumn/Fall though, then they will be more likely to be hostile - and they still are really horrible to deal with hand-to-hand. That applies to any creature that is faster than your average character. Because them moving faster also means they will attack you faster than you do. And that is what makes most woodland zombies dreadful - but also horses, normal deer and Moose. So, if you attack a Zombie Horse or an Antlered Horror (or a Zeindeer), they will probably clobber you 3 or 4 times while you even try to swing at them.

IRL? Never dealt with one - they’re not a thing where I am from - but seeing a few videos I’ve seen of them just bossing people around, they are a creature that I admittedly want nothing to do with.

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**Author:** ![NetSysFire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/97f17d/32.png) [@NetSysFire](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/NetSysFire)\
**Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 10:26pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606/8 "2022-02-17T22:26:43Z")

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> <https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/54624>
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> \#### Summary
> Balance "Horse, reindeer and zeindeer attack cost balanced"
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> \#### Purpose of change
> A select few enemies, upon a second once over, still fit the bill for an adjustment to their attack cost. Namely the zeindeer, reindeer and horse. The three of these creatures all have a very high movement speed, and likely are not intentionally meant to attack as fast as they do. With attack speed defaulting to 100 without being defined, these enemies are much more dangerous than what would be sensible, attacking harder or cumulatively harder than more sensible threats, i.e. horses are much more capable of destroying you in a short period of time than a moose.
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> \#### Describe the solution
> I have gone and added attack cost values to better throttle the damage potential of these monsters, the zeindeer now matches the zombie deer in its attack speed, the horse and reindeer now also attack slower, 1.3 times a player turn rather than 3 times.
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> \#### Describe alternatives you've considered
> Large quadrupeds like the deer and horse could be given their own special attacks, a slower attack like an actual horse kick that does the current damage and also applies a stun/concussed effect. Alternatively we leave their current attack speeds
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> \#### Testing
> Current adjustments are somewhat minor, enemies are adhering to their intended attack speeds
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> \#### Additional context
> Again, these adjustments are subject to debate, if we want to use a different formula for their attacks or a special attack alternative its entirely within the ability of the JSON to do so. This iteration is significantly scaled back than what I originally intended, however the more complex nature of this balancing leaves it best approached in case by case instances instead of sweeping changes.

regarding speed of monsters such as zeindeers, this was fairly recently changed.

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**Author:** ![gtgiygus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/gtgiygus/32/6096_2.png) [@gtgiygus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/gtgiygus)\
**Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 4:31am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606/9 "2022-02-18T04:31:41Z")

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I think my earliest feeling of accomplishment was when I finally figured out how to craft things properly from the detailed world around you.

I died many times before realizing you could smash furniture, lockers and appliances into usable pieces to build things like 2byswords and scrap metal helmets. Game really opened up for me after that.

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**Author:** ![MisterDoge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/misterdoge/32/11787_2.png) [@MisterDoge](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/MisterDoge)\
**Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 4:38am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606/10 "2022-02-18T04:38:09Z")

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Very germane to my current predicament: I’ve spent the last 45 real life minutes trying to build a fire so I can boil this stupid bottle of toilet water. Once I figure it out I probably won’t stop talking about it for a week.  
The crafting is so deep it’s unbelievable, I learned I could use any counter as a crafting surface (duh, right?) and I had so many recipes available to me with the few things I’d collected.

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**Author:** ![TJKing293](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/tjking293/32/6746_2.png) [@TJKing293](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TJKing293)\
**Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 5:56am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606/11 "2022-02-18T05:56:39Z")

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baby steps! If you haven’t already I suggest subscribing to the discord channel.

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**Author:** ![Mogel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/mogel/32/10581_2.png) [@Mogel](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Mogel)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 8:46am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606/12 "2022-03-01T08:46:30Z")

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What’s best in cataklysm to crush your enemies see dem driven before you And h wait a second building cool cars drinking weird stuff you found in a lab and turn into a freak en fining cool loot but also replacing my body parts wit cyber stuff

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**Author:** ![potato\_guy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/potato_guy/32/11749_2.png) [@potato\_guy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/potato_guy)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606/13 "2022-03-01T16:08:32Z")

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misterdoge, i reccomend using the CRIT expansion mod (it comes with base game)  
it gives overpowered characters to let u get the hang of the game, i would recommend bionic professions mod after u either survive really long, or get bored of CRIT, and the u can start with a plain survivor charcater and then u can start doing challenge starts

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**Author:** ![NetSysFire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/97f17d/32.png) [@NetSysFire](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/NetSysFire)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 7:22am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606/14 "2022-03-02T07:22:58Z")

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You could also just use freeform when creating your character

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**Author:** ![potato\_guy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/potato_guy/32/11749_2.png) [@potato\_guy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/potato_guy)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/it-took-3-characters-but-i-finally-got-my-first-kill-are-you-proud-of-me/27606/15 "2022-03-02T17:21:44Z")

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u can also use debug settings in settings menu to give urself extra sta/trait points