In which my displeasure toward developer behaviors are stated

Coyote · 2013-12-21T15:10:25.000Z

jimboblordofeskimos:

Killing this thread before things get ugly may be the smart thing to do.

snort So says the guy who spent his last two posts trolling the shit out of it.

“Here, I’m going to take a piss all over this thread, then bitch and moan because it smells like piss!”

That… makes perfect sense, yeah.

John_Candlebury · 2013-12-21T15:11:20.000Z

I dont think this thread is getting ugly.

If anything you are the one trying you hardest to get a flamewar stated. You are the one who posted the picture and started your argument by laughing at me.

And it would really dissapoint me if someone where to close this thread because its a “flame war” attempt, I believe I have been reasonable in my replies so far. Really, cant I express my concerns toward the actions of the developers?

ChristopherWalken · 2013-12-21T15:14:24.000Z

Well I made my point, you made yours.
He made his, weak as it may be.

I think we wait for the “higher powers” to drop into the conversation now.

Coyote · 2013-12-21T15:20:15.000Z

So a somewhat related point that I don’t want to stick in its own thread:

Why does Cata: DDA have such an awful forum culture?

This forum draws an amount of drama and spite that forums ten times its’ size usually don’t pull. What gives? Are we just a bunch of autistic sperglords that really are that much worse than any other group on the internet? Is the inconsistent (I don’t want to say “almost nonexistant”, but that’s what it feels like) moderation to blame? Something structural? We’re not using a karma or thumbs up system, I don’t see how that last one could be the case…

ChristopherWalken · 2013-12-21T15:26:07.000Z

Seems like the normal result of sticking two groups who really hate each other together.

Aside from that conflict I don’t see any real issues.
You had LazyCat who was an abrasive and terribly handled kiddo, but that’s over.

Coyote · 2013-12-21T15:47:03.000Z

I honestly think you’re focusing too much on the Furry Wars. Yes, the furries were really obnoxious about cramming their fetish into everything and vanilla folks were way too reactive and hateful in response, but that’s not half of what’s wrong with this forum. Like, even before the very first furry content was added to the game, this forum had a terrible and hostile culture.

I mean, look. I can get a better quality of conversation with less insults and more reasoned argumentation from goddamn 4chan than I can from here on some days. You probably know as well as I do how rare it is on here to see two people work towards a common middle ground in their argument. (It’s never exactly common in any situation, granted, but it’s almost mythical on this forum.)

Lidku · 2013-12-21T15:53:29.000Z

I say we should ignore all this drama and get to fixing NPC’s, so we can have badass faction wars! The BrotherHood of Obsidian vs The Netherworlders!

100Rads · 2013-12-21T16:00:06.000Z

Lidku:

I say we should ignore all this drama and get to fixing NPC’s, so we can have badass faction wars! The BrotherHood of Obsidian vs The Netherworlders!

Smartest person ever, for real. You all are so immature, arguing over extremely stupid stuff.

Lidku · 2013-12-21T16:10:26.000Z

Thanks, it was just a Dinosaur suit, so what? We have bigger problems that need to be implemented like NPC’s working properly, not trying to eat lighters! Also we need sneaky mechanics implemented also there’s a high demand for that! MOVE SOLDIERS, MOVE! Why isn’t your video feed not working?

Killer-of-Lawyers · 2013-12-21T16:11:18.000Z

The problem is that there’s always going to be someone who makes a gigantic effort post about how much of a slight one little thing is. As long as that behavior continues then you’re going to see people thumbing their noses at them. It’s funny. The sheer drama demonstrated over disagreements and opinions on this forums is a treasure.

infectedmochi · 2013-12-21T16:24:50.000Z

Basically what Lidku and Killer-of-Lawers said. I think LazyCat before disappearing into the void of the Net has poison the water, and now we’re seeing the result of his master plan.

Caconym · 2013-12-21T16:27:05.000Z

ah good old internet drama. Oh don’t mind me i’m not even gonna contribute to this…discussion(if you can call it that) beyond this. [size=1pt]I may or may not dive in despite what I say…[/size]

Nickboom · 2013-12-21T16:36:09.000Z

First of if you dont have anything to say about the current topic then get the hell out your just poisoning this thread, second I think Rivet did act very childishly. Now if ka made it and then another dev merged it I would have been ok with it. Also frankly just ignore people who just post random shit like “I was right about furries fucking up the game” they clearly just want a rise out of others. Now if you dont mind. Walks off wearing dino suit with cat tail and ears

Lidku · 2013-12-21T16:40:17.000Z

Who’s Lazycat anyway? What did he do? This is America people, if someone likes Furries so what? I don’t get why do people have to hate it. Furries aren’t bad, look at Fox McCloud for example!

FunsizeNinja123 · 2013-12-21T16:41:03.000Z

Here’s a nice vid with some nice music to stop the impending flamewar.

Coyote · 2013-12-21T16:43:26.000Z

Lidku:

Who’s Lazycat anyway? What did he do? This is America people, if someone likes Furries so what? I don’t get why do people have to hate it. Furries aren’t bad, look at Fox McCloud for example!

You know what? I am a furry. My girlfriend wears cat ears when we bang. I don’t hate furries at all.

I still hate the furry content in this game for being both immersion destroying and obvious fetish fuel. I try not to be an ass to anyone about it. I just put up with the fucking stupid shit because hey I’m getting a free game anyway and a dedicated faction would whine relentlessly if they were taken out. This is in spite of my general issue with “wacky” items breaking immersion, which is the main reason why I’m finding Cataclysm less and less fun these days.

Can I not have my own fucking opinion?

Binky · 2013-12-21T16:52:10.000Z

I have to agree, the vanity additions/general rubbish additions has gotten too much. John (and I, as well as others) aren’t specifically targeting a group or an item. I couldn’t care less about the individual things (furry ears, dino suits or whatever), but it’s the general unprofessional attitude that it gives off.

This annoys me because it’s a game we all love, and we don’t want it to be treated as a joke. DCSS got loads better after they adopted the ‘serious’ approach, and the player base respected that a lot in my opinion.

Although I’m very grateful to the devs for putting their time into it, as soon as they launched the kickstarter this was taking it out of a ‘hobby project just for kicks’ and making it a more serious one.

Killer-of-Lawyers · 2013-12-21T16:57:47.000Z

Kickstarter doesn’t come with any expectations of a product that the people that donate like or even receive though. It’s charity, not investment.

Just because you love and play this game constantly doesn’t mean that it’s going to go in a direction you like. That is life. Getting upset about it isn’t going to help anyone, and it’s going to make a lot of people more apt to put funny stuff in just to thumb their nose at you.

Coyote · 2013-12-21T17:04:48.000Z

Kickstarter doesn’t come with any expectations of a product that the people that donate like or even receive though. It’s charity, not investment.

Please to reread the post kthx. In it, his sole claim was that making it a Kickstarter changes the type of project it is. Monetizing it at all did that. So, yeah, he’s right, and you’re irrelevant.

Getting upset about it isn’t going to help anyone, and it’s going to make a lot of people more apt to put funny stuff in just to thumb their nose at you.

Did you check what forum you were posting in before you hit the Post button? “Suggestions, Comments, and Future Plans” are the entire purpose of this forum. Showing displeasure in the general direction of the game is useful feedback. So, first off, you’re just objectively wrong.

But secondly? Your last sentence is the entire point of contention in this thread. Developers flinging shit because they can’t take a little criticism is not the norm and it should not be the norm.

I’m beginning to think TOME is more successful than Cata solely because it doesn’t have an outright toxic culture surrounding it.

ChristopherWalken · 2013-12-21T17:07:22.000Z

Coyote:

[quote=“Lidku, post:27, topic:4580”]Who’s Lazycat anyway? What did he do? This is America people, if someone likes Furries so what? I don’t get why do people have to hate it. Furries aren’t bad, look at Fox McCloud for example!

You know what? I am a furry. My girlfriend wears cat ears when we bang. I don’t hate furries at all.

I still hate the furry content in this game for being both immersion destroying and obvious fetish fuel. I try not to be an ass to anyone about it. I just put up with the fucking stupid shit because hey I’m getting a free game anyway and a dedicated faction would whine relentlessly if they were taken out. This is in spite of my general issue with “wacky” items breaking immersion, which is the main reason why I’m finding Cataclysm less and less fun these days.

Can I not have my own fucking opinion?[/quote]

Just thought I’d clarify my position a bit.
I don’t automatically hate all furries (though it’s a trait I dislike).
What I do hate however are the “Furry pride” idiots who want to shove it down everyone else’s throats.

What you spank your monkey to does not belong in the game.
It does not belong in your description.
It does not belong in your avatar.
It does not have to be talked about in every goddamned post you make.

I’m using the generic “you”, I’m not talking to you in particular Coyote, I have no quarrel with you.