# I want to be able to build chairs

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647>\
**Category:** The Drawing Board\
**Created:** [December 28, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647 "2013-12-28T21:43:24Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 16\
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**Author:** ![Bonevomit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Bonevomit](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Bonevomit)\
**Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/1 "2013-12-28T21:43:24Z")

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Also tables

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 10:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/2 "2013-12-28T22:55:52Z")

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Sounds reasonable. I’ll take a look.

Looked. They’re already in construction.json. Something not working right?

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**Author:** ![Bonevomit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Bonevomit](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Bonevomit)\
**Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 11:36pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/3 "2013-12-28T23:36:03Z")

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They don’t show up in the construction menu with version 0.9

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**Author:** ![FunsizeNinja123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/funsizeninja123/32/118_2.png) [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 2:06am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/4 "2013-12-29T02:06:44Z")

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You need the correct tools to have them light up.

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**Author:** ![Bonevomit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Bonevomit](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Bonevomit)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 5:20am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/5 "2013-12-29T05:20:13Z")

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> [@FunsizeNinja123](#):
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> You need the correct tools to have them light up.

No, they’re absent from the menu.  
Roof shows up in grey right now. That takes more tools than a chair.

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**Author:** ![deadmerits](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/deadmerits/32/19_2.png) [@deadmerits](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/deadmerits)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 5:25am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/6 "2013-12-29T05:25:18Z")

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I’m starting to think recipes…

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 5:36am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/7 "2013-12-29T05:36:09Z")

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> [@Bonevomit](#):
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> [quote=“FunsizeNinja123, post:4, topic:4647”]You need the correct tools to have them light up.

No, they’re absent from the menu.  
Roof shows up in grey right now. That takes more tools than a chair.[/quote]

I was able to build a table and a chair using today’s experimental. Recommend you update.

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**Author:** ![Inadequate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Inadequate](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Inadequate)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 6:57am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/8 "2013-12-29T06:57:11Z")

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> [@deadmerits](#):
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> I’m starting to think recipes…

Tables and chairs are boards with varying amount of legs stuck on them. They are not difficult to build. I know the current trend is for everything more complicated than a knife spear to be stuck in a book, but really?

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**Author:** ![deadmerits](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/deadmerits/32/19_2.png) [@deadmerits](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/deadmerits)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 7:05am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/9 "2013-12-29T07:05:56Z")

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I was only going off the available information, I didn’t say it was a good idea. And also, fancy chairs.

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**Author:** ![Dominae](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/dominae/32/53_2.png) [@Dominae](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Dominae)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 7:09am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/10 "2013-12-29T07:09:41Z")

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> [@deadmerits](#):
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> I was only going off the available information, I didn’t say it was a good idea. And also, fancy chairs.

Add a morale boost to being around fancy chairs and its Dwarf Fortress 🙂

“You see a teak chair decorated with zombiebone on it is a carving of zombies.”

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**Author:** ![Inadequate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Inadequate](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Inadequate)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 7:11am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/11 "2013-12-29T07:11:07Z")

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Is there really a reason that an accomplished carpenter is completely unable to come up with a better chair design all by himself? Is the post-Cataclysm world populated only by crude mockeries of humanity, devoid of any independent thought or creativity, able only to vaguely mimic the actions of their predecessors? Because with how limited the autolearnt recipes are becoming, it’s starting to get a little insulting, frankly. Do you have so little confidence in humanity’s ability to learn from experience?

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**Author:** ![Bonevomit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Bonevomit](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Bonevomit)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 7:12am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/12 "2013-12-29T07:12:46Z")

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Can we make regular beds in the experimental version? Not just “makeshift beds”

Because I have all the time in the world to make this shit.

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**Author:** ![Binky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f04885/32.png) [@Binky](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Binky)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 11:38am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/13 "2013-12-29T11:38:38Z")

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Can’t comment on beds, but I think the shift of most things into recipe books is sort of a good idea until skills get a lot more balanced out. Before, it meant that getting up to level 4 in whatever gave you access to pretty much everything and you could just make spears or whatever till you got there, whereas now it forces you to explore and find the recipe books.

I think that getting the character to explore rather than just grind up is a noble goal (however unrealistic the outcome may become) and the whole ‘blank slate character’ thing is normal for rpgs really. Obviously this needs better balance, but I do think this is a much better system overall.

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**Author:** ![dwarfkoala](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/dwarfkoala/32/9_2.png) [@dwarfkoala](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/dwarfkoala)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 5:28pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/14 "2013-12-29T17:28:20Z")

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Wait, can someone confirm that somebody booked chairs and tables?

I am almost utterly sure that nobody did that. If someone did, i’ll make an issue and see about getting it fixed.

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**Author:** ![Dominae](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/dominae/32/53_2.png) [@Dominae](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Dominae)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/15 "2013-12-29T18:20:50Z")

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You know, having furniture (tables, dining room chairs) turn into just a pile of 2x4s seems odd.

Thought about giving them, say, four "a furniture leg"s instead of a couple of the 2x4s? It’d feel more realistic than everything turning from a finished product BACK into lumber from Home Depot, and it’d give people an alternative to a pointy stick or pipe early on. You can swing a chair leg at zombies.

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**Author:** ![BevapDin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/bevapdin/32/228_2.png) [@BevapDin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/BevapDin)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 6:41pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-want-to-be-able-to-build-chairs/4647/16 "2013-12-29T18:41:13Z")

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Constructions can (currently) not be booked. Also chairs and tables can be build without any construction skill in the current experimental version.