# I refuse to ever go into an LMOE shelter ever again

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-refuse-to-ever-go-into-an-lmoe-shelter-ever-again/8369>\
**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [December 21, 2014, 1:01am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-refuse-to-ever-go-into-an-lmoe-shelter-ever-again/8369 "2014-12-21T01:01:15Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 12\
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**Author:** ![Codeslamer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/codeslamer/32/3433_2.png) [@Codeslamer](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Codeslamer)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 1:01am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-refuse-to-ever-go-into-an-lmoe-shelter-ever-again/8369/1 "2014-12-21T01:01:15Z")

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It seemed like a normal game. I chose the sheltered scenario to start with and move one step so that i stand over the stairs down. I press \> and get moved down one level. Into this.

> **[Gyazo](https://gyazo.com/59da04881c117ef5b1ceb2b6b1b19ea0)**
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> ​

If anyone knows how i can actually put images in the spoiler, please tell me!

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**Author:** ![digitCruncher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cab0a1/32.png) [@digitCruncher](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/digitCruncher)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 1:17am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-refuse-to-ever-go-into-an-lmoe-shelter-ever-again/8369/2 "2014-12-21T01:17:13Z")

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You should have got a ‘broken stairway’ message.

But this happens so often (person goes down a broken stairway, finds themselves in lava, and dies), that it probably should check if there is lava below on the tile that should have an up-staircase (the code obviously checks if there is no stairway), and should give a different message: “Hot sulfuric fumes escape from the broken stairway … the entire floor is lava! Going down would be suicide.” and not give the player a chance to go down (unless, of course, there is a legitimate way to survive in lava… would power armor protect you? If that is the case, you can end it with a question: "Go down anyway? [Default: ‘N’])

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**Author:** ![Stelknecht](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/stelknecht/32/1359_2.png) [@Stelknecht](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Stelknecht)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 1:28am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-refuse-to-ever-go-into-an-lmoe-shelter-ever-again/8369/3 "2014-12-21T01:28:39Z")

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I can testify that PA just prolongs your broiling. Savescummed it once just cause I had to know.

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**Author:** ![FunsizeNinja123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/funsizeninja123/32/118_2.png) [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 2:02am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-refuse-to-ever-go-into-an-lmoe-shelter-ever-again/8369/4 "2014-12-21T02:02:54Z")

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It’s the RNG, that’ll probably never happen again.

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**Author:** ![Codeslamer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/codeslamer/32/3433_2.png) [@Codeslamer](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Codeslamer)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 2:09am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-refuse-to-ever-go-into-an-lmoe-shelter-ever-again/8369/5 "2014-12-21T02:09:54Z")

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> [@digitCruncher](#):
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> You should have got a ‘broken stairway’ message.

Nope. No message about any stairways. I started the game and pressed \>. That’s it. I then swam in lava and watched as my legs melted away.

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**Author:** ![mdtexeira](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecb155/32.png) [@mdtexeira](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/mdtexeira)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 2:15am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-refuse-to-ever-go-into-an-lmoe-shelter-ever-again/8369/6 "2014-12-21T02:15:18Z")

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Well, at least you didn’t waste much time. I don’t know…with that experience I might suggest that you never go into a LMOE shelter with a developed character. With a new character, however, it sounds great. Assuming you save your loadout as a template, you basically only have to hit page down a few times and you’re in a new world with a new shelter and a ridiculously low percentage chance that going downstairs will be lava, which, even if it is will only cost you like a minute.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 2:33am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-refuse-to-ever-go-into-an-lmoe-shelter-ever-again/8369/7 "2014-12-21T02:33:54Z")

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No warning is a bug. Will take a look. Thanks.

Update: I can’t replicate the no-warning. Will see about adding a check for lava in the area Just In Case, but without knowing what triggered the no-warning-whatever issue, I can’t guarantee it’ll be any help.

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**Author:** ![Lord\_Letto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a6a055/32.png) [@Lord\_Letto](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Lord_Letto)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 8:05pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-refuse-to-ever-go-into-an-lmoe-shelter-ever-again/8369/8 "2014-12-21T20:05:07Z")

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I chose to start in a LMOE Shelter at least 90% of the time, I have never ever had the unplesent experience of going down stairs and swimming in lava, I never even found a broken stairway before either.

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**Author:** ![Miloch](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/miloch/32/1339_2.png) [@Miloch](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Miloch)\
**Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 12:28am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-refuse-to-ever-go-into-an-lmoe-shelter-ever-again/8369/9 "2014-12-22T00:28:38Z")

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I’ve gotten the broken stairways message twice. Both times into ant tunnels.

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 1:16am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-refuse-to-ever-go-into-an-lmoe-shelter-ever-again/8369/10 "2014-12-22T01:16:11Z")

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KA101 PRed a fix that specifically warns you about gusts of superheated air coming out of the stairwell. If you ignore the message, well, your hellish inferno of a funeral.

When testing, I had to visit 4 different overmaps to find a house over lava, and I had to search a dozen houses over lava to find a basement. This is not exactly a common problem.

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**Author:** ![Black\_OPs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/black_ops/32/192_2.png) [@Black\_OPs](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Black_OPs)\
**Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 4:37am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-refuse-to-ever-go-into-an-lmoe-shelter-ever-again/8369/11 "2014-12-22T04:37:42Z")

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you survived 42 days with no kills. And is days adventured in experimental? I don’t remember that.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 4:46am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-refuse-to-ever-go-into-an-lmoe-shelter-ever-again/8369/12 "2014-12-22T04:46:04Z")

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> [@Black\_OPs](#):
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> you survived 42 days with no kills. And is days adventured in experimental? I don’t remember that.

Days survived is time from zero hour (five days post-cataclysm) to your death.

Days adventured is the days you were actually playing, if you were on a delayed start.

Since opting to start later than Spring doesn’t delay the cataclysm and therefore is generally a tougher start (perishables perish and wildlife gets zombified, foraging shifts, etc), it’s important to make a note of that fact.

Conversely scorekeepers and such might get all discombobulated if we counted days that were fast-forwarded (wherein you passively Stay Alive but don’t develop and are not at risk) the same as days actively played, where hunger/thirst/etc are issues and you have to look after yourself.

So, compromise, and two trackers.