# I can't seem to cut down trees, and tailoring doesn't seem to affect arm encumbe

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**Category:** The Garage\
**Created:** [July 20, 2013, 6:01am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-cant-seem-to-cut-down-trees-and-tailoring-doesnt-seem-to-affect-arm-encumbe/2312 "2013-07-20T06:01:46Z")\
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**Author:** ![Jericoshost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b782af/32.png) [@Jericoshost](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Jericoshost)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 6:01am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-cant-seem-to-cut-down-trees-and-tailoring-doesnt-seem-to-affect-arm-encumbe/2312/1 "2013-07-20T06:01:46Z")

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So I have a stone Ax and have used Smash on a tree (7) around 200 times now, the tree still stands, and when I try to activate the ax it asks for an item to cut up.

And when I tailor it says 0 encumberment (fits) but when I put it on it says arms encumbered!  
And my torso seems to have 1 too many points of encumberment.

Is this normal and I just don’t understand the system, or are these bugs?

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**Author:** ![Jericoshost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b782af/32.png) [@Jericoshost](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Jericoshost)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 6:07am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-cant-seem-to-cut-down-trees-and-tailoring-doesnt-seem-to-affect-arm-encumbe/2312/2 "2013-07-20T06:07:29Z")

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Ok so the ax thing is me not knowing about the construction menu \>.\<

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**Author:** ![Tamunshin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Tamunshin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Tamunshin)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 6:14am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-cant-seem-to-cut-down-trees-and-tailoring-doesnt-seem-to-affect-arm-encumbe/2312/3 "2013-07-20T06:14:03Z")

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You’ll have to elaborate a bit regarding encumbrance. What are you putting on? What are you already wearing?

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 3:28pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-cant-seem-to-cut-down-trees-and-tailoring-doesnt-seem-to-affect-arm-encumbe/2312/4 "2013-07-20T15:28:02Z")

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Encumbrance tends to add up when you wear additional layers, even if the individual layers are 0 or even negative Encumbrance. Example: a (fits) Raincoat over Hard Arm Sleeves is two layers, so +1 Encumbrance from the arm guards, +1 from the fitting Raincoat, +1 for second layer.

If you’re playing 0.7, it’s entirely possible that something like the Wristwatch is considered another “layer” on your Arms. So adding it to the example: +1HAS, +1RCf, +0Wristwatch, +2 second & third layers. Wristwatch is scheduled to be taken off the Arms slot in order to fix its contribution.

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**Author:** ![kentable](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kentable/32/134_2.png) [@kentable](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kentable)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-cant-seem-to-cut-down-trees-and-tailoring-doesnt-seem-to-affect-arm-encumbe/2312/5 "2013-07-20T16:50:22Z")

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As for the tree chopping, it’s under the build menu (\*) along with chop into logs and chop logs into planks. I found out after I too couldn’t figure out how to deforest the local woods.

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**Author:** ![Jericoshost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b782af/32.png) [@Jericoshost](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Jericoshost)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 5:14pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-cant-seem-to-cut-down-trees-and-tailoring-doesnt-seem-to-affect-arm-encumbe/2312/6 "2013-07-20T17:14:56Z")

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I dropped what I was wearing, then put it back on, now it is encumberment 1 on Torso and 0 on arms? I got a reinforced Backpack, re-Trenchcoat, T-shirt (Fit), Re-Jumpsuit, and that’s it.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-cant-seem-to-cut-down-trees-and-tailoring-doesnt-seem-to-affect-arm-encumbe/2312/7 "2013-07-20T19:55:39Z")

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> [@Jericoshost](#):
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> I dropped what I was wearing, then put it back on, now it is encumberment 1 on Torso and 0 on arms? I got a reinforced Backpack, re-Trenchcoat, T-shirt (Fit), Re-Jumpsuit, and that’s it.

Huh. Trenchcoat & Jumpsuit ought to add up to at least 1 Encumbrance on Arms: two layers. T-Shirt is short-sleeved so doesn’t cover Arms. Likewise Backpack doesn’t affect Arm encumbrance.

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**Author:** ![Oragepoilu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4da419/32.png) [@Oragepoilu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Oragepoilu)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-cant-seem-to-cut-down-trees-and-tailoring-doesnt-seem-to-affect-arm-encumbe/2312/8 "2013-07-20T20:35:42Z")

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Jumpsuit is only leg and torso.

No need to look at the name of the item, but look at his description. It say where your wear it; Also no care about % coverage.  
Torso/hand give +0.5 each new layer  
Leg/head/feet/arms/mouth/hands +2

Some items (underwear , liner gloves) can be wear without any bonus ecumbrance from additive clothes.

As exemple, jumsuit will reduce torse ecumbrance (-1+0.5) but increase leg ecumbrance (-1+2)  
Underwear will only reduce leg ecumbrance, even with something else (like skirt) : (-1+0)

So, to reduce ecumbrance torse, get :  
Under armor (! 20 warmth)  
tank top (best item atm torso)  
wool poncho (! 35 warmth)  
jumsuit (! 8 storage, 10 warmth)

To store, get :  
(#NUMBER) mean how much storage you get if it would give you 1 ecumbrance, even if it don’t actually. Better to take a quick loot like that.  
[#NUMBER] mean warmth it add, take care with that.

`Messenger Bag (40)[0]
utility vest (28)[5]
Belt ring (36)[5]
Backpack (26.7)[0]
Military rucksack (32)[0]
trenchcoat (48)[20]
labcoat (28)[10]
purse (13)[0]`

As you can see backpack sucks but if you don’t care about ecumbrance torso.  
Trenchcoat is really good but if you care about ecumbrance arm and warmth;

That’s why many guys use military rucksack, even with 2.5ecumbrance, it’s no warmth, no arm, no leg, and still good ratio. No drawback, dude ! Drop your useless backpack and find this twice instead.  
(jumsuit \*2 + tank top \*2 + under armor \*2 + rucksack \*2 =2 ecumbrance torso & legs for 160 storage; add a skirt and underwear to get -1 to legs, and your good)