Humble Idea Bundle 0.0.9

Zaweri_Runewright · 2014-10-13T17:37:59.000Z

[quote=“Apex, post:1, topic:7544”]You hold the hilt/grip with both hands, increasing general force applied
Downward Strike - Taking a step forward, knee bent, you slice downward into your opponent (hitting torso / head)[/quote]
Time to get my Zaraki Kenpachi on (+1 if you get the reference.)

Apex · 2014-10-13T19:27:28.000Z

[quote=“Zaweri Runewright, post:11, topic:7544”][quote=“Apex, post:1, topic:7544”]You hold the hilt/grip with both hands, increasing general force applied
Downward Strike - Taking a step forward, knee bent, you slice downward into your opponent (hitting torso / head)[/quote]
Time to get my Zaraki Kenpachi on (+1 if you get the reference.)[/quote]

I get it

FunsizeNinja123 · 2014-10-13T21:57:39.000Z

I doubt anyone will add aliens, but I do like the idea of grasping a melee weapon with both hands.

Weapons that require two hands are exempt, but a person with sufficient strength could possibly wield a zewihander with one hand.

AND I WANT TO USE MY TWO HANDS.

ChristopherWalken · 2014-10-13T22:02:48.000Z

The game in general could use more weapon styles to complement/add to the weapon’s innate techniques.

I know there’s fencing and some indian thing for short blades, would be nice to see a style for broadswords, Zweihanders and possibly more.
I don’t think style techniques right now can be dependent on equipment, but it would be great to have certain western sword techniques require armoured hands to grab the blade.

Anyways, +1 to blade Kenpo, with proper balancing.

a person with sufficient strength could possibly wield a Zweihander with one hand.

I don't think it's so much a matter of strength as it is a matter of speed and balance..

I suppose either someone that became really large due to mutation or really strong AND heavy due to CBMs (I’m assuming a fully armour plated bio-survivor would be quite heavy for instance) could wield large blades one handed with reasonable effectiveness though.

KA101 · 2014-10-13T22:26:31.000Z

Someone writes up Kenjutsu, I’ll gladly mergetest it. If I don’t get fed up with waiting and write it myself.

I just saw the prison-guard/KKK style. Nope. That’s not going to happen.

Apex · 2014-10-26T18:20:18.000Z

[quote=“KA101, post:15, topic:7544”]Someone writes up Kenjutsu, I’ll gladly mergetest it. If I don’t get fed up with waiting and write it myself.

I just saw the prison-guard/KKK style. Nope. That’s not going to happen.[/quote]

I wish you’d give a little more input rather than just shooting an idea down.

FunsizeNinja123 · 2014-10-26T18:56:43.000Z

[quote=“Apex, post:16, topic:7544”][quote=“KA101, post:15, topic:7544”]Someone writes up Kenjutsu, I’ll gladly mergetest it. If I don’t get fed up with waiting and write it myself.

I just saw the prison-guard/KKK style. Nope. That’s not going to happen.[/quote]

I wish you’d give a little more input rather than just shooting an idea down.[/quote]

Those are perfectly good reasons.

Apex · 2014-10-26T19:03:29.000Z

[quote=“FunsizeNinja123, post:17, topic:7544”][quote=“Apex, post:16, topic:7544”][quote=“KA101, post:15, topic:7544”]Someone writes up Kenjutsu, I’ll gladly mergetest it. If I don’t get fed up with waiting and write it myself.

I just saw the prison-guard/KKK style. Nope. That’s not going to happen.[/quote]

I wish you’d give a little more input rather than just shooting an idea down.[/quote]

Those are perfectly good reasons.[/quote]

What I mean is, he just says “nope” rather than telling me exactly WHY my idea is horrible. Maybe then I could revise it and make it worth thinking about.

FunsizeNinja123 · 2014-10-26T21:19:58.000Z

YOU SAID “KKK STYLE”.

KA101 · 2014-10-26T22:19:55.000Z

There’s no redeeming feature of a style that glorifies brutalizing prisoners, covering it up as “self-defense” (euphemism quotes original to Apex), and ethnic intimidation (which is pretty much the reason the KKK exists).

Denied, and don’t ask again.

Apex · 2014-10-29T02:56:01.000Z

DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH!!!

“Adapted by the KKK” ADAPTED - verb
past tense: adapted; past participle: adapted
make (something) suitable for a new use or purpose; modify.

“EXISTENCE PROVEN BY PROFESSIONAL BOXERS SUCH AS MIKE TYSON, AND ZAB JUDAH” (BOTH OF WHICH WERE AFRICAN AMERICAN)

Are you guys seriously daft enough to shoot down a fighting style just because bad people used it once? Jesus Christ, Nazi’s used guns! Guess we can’t put those in the game!

Seriously it pisses me off that ethics plays a role in a game that is based on THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD! Aren’t you supposed to be able to chose who your character was before the cataclysm? This “goody goody” totally ousts any realism of Cataclysm.

“OBVIOUSLY there are no white supremacists before the cataclysm” - quote Nobody Ever, 2014.

thebombsauce · 2014-10-29T03:20:46.000Z

[quote=“Apex, post:21, topic:7544”]DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH!!!

“Adapted by the KKK” ADAPTED - verb
past tense: adapted; past participle: adapted
make (something) suitable for a new use or purpose; modify.

“EXISTENCE PROVEN BY PROFESSIONAL BOXERS SUCH AS MIKE TYSON, AND ZAB JUDAH” (BOTH OF WHICH WERE AFRICAN AMERICAN)

Are you guys seriously daft enough to shoot down a fighting style just because bad people used it once? Jesus Christ, Nazi’s used guns! Guess we can’t put those in the game!

Seriously it pisses me off that ethics plays a role in a game that is based on THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD! Aren’t you supposed to be able to chose who your character was before the cataclysm? This “goody goody” totally ousts any realism of Cataclysm.

“OBVIOUSLY there are no white supremacists before the cataclysm” - quote Nobody Ever, 2014.[/quote]

While you are obviously going to get a lot of deserved flack for replying in such an angry manner, they should have read your original post more carefully before calling it KKK style.

kevin.granade · 2014-10-29T07:10:37.000Z

You’re not doing yourself any favors with that response. I did some “fucking research” and questions of racism aside, my opinion is that it’s a myth. Developing and spreading a martial arts style in prison is a laughable concept. Martial arts requires immense amounts of supervised training to be worth a damn, and I fail to see how that could possibly happen in an environment where you’re going to be isolated from every other inmate if you as much as look like you’re fighting.

Solusphere · 2014-10-29T07:38:05.000Z

Do you think something like MCMAP would be a suitable addition? I’d absolutely love to have a martial art style that works with rifles, either as clubs or with bayonets

FunsizeNinja123 · 2014-10-29T19:05:38.000Z

Solusphere:

Do you think something like MCMAP would be a suitable addition? I’d absolutely love to have a martial art style that works with rifles, either as clubs or with bayonets

I’m sure that would go in.

KA101 · 2014-10-30T00:22:55.000Z

FunsizeNinja123:

[quote=“Solusphere, post:24, topic:7544”]Do you think something like MCMAP would be a suitable addition? I’d absolutely love to have a martial art style that works with rifles, either as clubs or with bayonets

I’m sure that would go in.[/quote]

Balance problem: having effective melee capability whilst wielding a firearm. It’d likely have to be a quest reward (I’m sure the Old Guard can supply an instructor). Further, I’m not sure how to distinguish it from Krav Maga, which I believe also incorporates firearms-as-melee-weapons IRL.

So yeah, definitely an option but implementation would take some tweaking.

Logrin · 2014-10-30T00:34:07.000Z

Just got a good idea! How about instead of say, separate styles for eastern and European swordplay we include a melee version of unarmed brawling? Sure the techniques are different, but for the most part they accomplish the same thing ((Unlike the very specialized roles of fencing/silat/eskrima))

kevin.granade · 2014-10-30T01:49:36.000Z

While I don’t have a problem with melee brawling, it doesn’t replace kenjutsu, fencing or other weapon styles.

KA101 · 2014-10-30T02:10:30.000Z

Yeah. Fencing and Kenjutsu are vastly different because their weapons are vastly different. A generic “use melee weapons Better” style wouldn’t make much sense from a balance standpoint.

Solusphere · 2014-10-30T06:29:00.000Z

[quote=“KA101, post:26, topic:7544”]Balance problem: having effective melee capability whilst wielding a firearm. It’d likely have to be a quest reward (I’m sure the Old Guard can supply an instructor). Further, I’m not sure how to distinguish it from Krav Maga, which I believe also incorporates firearms-as-melee-weapons IRL.

So yeah, definitely an option but implementation would take some tweaking.[/quote]

Why is that a balance problem? Not meaning to argue, I just honestly don’t see why being able to use a gun with a bayonet effectively in melee is an issue. Switching weapons takes almost no time at all in this game, and sacrificing a machete to add a sword bayonet to a gun is pretty much objectively inferior to using the gun and the machete seperately. A gun with a sword bayonet is a mediocre weapon at best, it gets damaged extremely quickly in regular combat, and it has a significant recoil penalty over just using the gun by itself. I really like bayonets, and having a martial art that allows me to use one without completely ruining my combat performance is pretty much the main goal of my suggestion. There’s really no advantage to ever using bayonets at all in their current implementation.
And yeah, Krav Maga could also make use of bayonets, but it does already get the blanket bonus to cutting damage, so I figured that was what that was intended to represent. You’re still far better off wielding a broadsword than a bayonet with Krav Maga though, so i’d be happy if that were to be tweaked.

Feel free to ignore this, just thought i’d offer my view on the issue.