# HP ignorant by default, Perk to see HP, and removing asterisks at low health

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/hp-ignorant-by-default-perk-to-see-hp-and-removing-asterisks-at-low-health/370>\
**Category:** The Drawing Board\
**Created:** [March 7, 2013, 1:49pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/hp-ignorant-by-default-perk-to-see-hp-and-removing-asterisks-at-low-health/370 "2013-03-07T13:49:23Z")\
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**Author:** ![GlyphGryph](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/glyphgryph/32/847_2.png) [@GlyphGryph](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GlyphGryph)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 1:49pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/hp-ignorant-by-default-perk-to-see-hp-and-removing-asterisks-at-low-health/370/1 "2013-03-07T13:49:23Z")

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I’d much rather have HP ignorant be the default (I think it better supports for the feel of the game), and have it require a Perk like “Self Aware” to see the values exactly.

I also think we should lose asterisks, in addition to them change color, as health decreases, down to 1.

Very simple suggestions, admittedly.

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**Author:** ![FrankyPlaysGames](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/frankyplaysgames/32/32_2.png) [@FrankyPlaysGames](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FrankyPlaysGames)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 2:12pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/hp-ignorant-by-default-perk-to-see-hp-and-removing-asterisks-at-low-health/370/2 "2013-03-07T14:12:48Z")

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I like this idea a lot, HP ignorant as a negative trait is just a free point for me, I always take it so it doesn’t matter much to me.

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**Author:** ![unback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8dc957/32.png) [@unback](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/unback)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/hp-ignorant-by-default-perk-to-see-hp-and-removing-asterisks-at-low-health/370/3 "2013-03-07T14:20:51Z")

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id add, that levels of first aid should have direct effect on precision of wound display.  
also, instead of asterisks there could be descriptive display (fine, wounded, broken, bleeding, etc)

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**Author:** ![Fengferth](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/fengferth/32/25_2.png) [@Fengferth](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Fengferth)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 3:35pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/hp-ignorant-by-default-perk-to-see-hp-and-removing-asterisks-at-low-health/370/4 "2013-03-07T15:35:53Z")

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Agreed, I just kinda feel dirty taking it as it’s basically free points.

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**Author:** ![Jaginun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Jaginun](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Jaginun)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/hp-ignorant-by-default-perk-to-see-hp-and-removing-asterisks-at-low-health/370/5 "2013-03-07T17:50:56Z")

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Sounds good, it will help make the game harder and more realistic, as well as reducing minmaxing using this option.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 10:59pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/hp-ignorant-by-default-perk-to-see-hp-and-removing-asterisks-at-low-health/370/6 "2013-03-07T22:59:20Z")

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Ugh. I can understand dropping the asterisks at critical HP; if I get to that point the character’s probably had it, though.

I can’t accept being charged for knowing my HP score, though. Even NetHack lets players see exact HP, and I despise that game.

Strongly oppose.

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**Author:** ![ted](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/db5fbb/32.png) [@ted](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ted)\
**Post date:** [March 8, 2013, 4:47am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/hp-ignorant-by-default-perk-to-see-hp-and-removing-asterisks-at-low-health/370/7 "2013-03-08T04:47:27Z")

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I can support entirely removing HP Ignorant and the associated hidden HP display in favor of always showing the numbers. If you know how much healing a bandage or first aid will provide, and know the breakpoints at which your health indicators change state, you can very closely estimate your current HP with HP Ignorant; not having the real numbers is just an annoyance.