# How 'safe' are z-levels right now?

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/how-safe-are-z-levels-right-now/14780>\
**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [January 10, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/how-safe-are-z-levels-right-now/14780 "2018-01-10T17:12:15Z")\
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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/how-safe-are-z-levels-right-now/14780/1 "2018-01-10T17:12:16Z")

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From what I understand, the more advanced z-levels are still super buggy, and I’m not 100% certain that I desire to deal with that. However, if it is stable _enough_ then I might be willing to try it.

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**Author:** ![DeWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeWolf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/DeWolf)\
**Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/how-safe-are-z-levels-right-now/14780/2 "2018-01-10T17:46:58Z")

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What do you mean by advanced z-levels?

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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/how-safe-are-z-levels-right-now/14780/3 "2018-01-10T17:48:46Z")

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Well, normally you can go down either one layer or two. But I believe there is a world option that allows some ‘beta’ buildings that can go higher/lower than that. Which is what I mean by advanced z-levels.

Unless I’m just being an idiot, which could totally be a think…

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**Author:** ![DeWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeWolf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/DeWolf)\
**Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/how-safe-are-z-levels-right-now/14780/4 "2018-01-10T17:51:37Z")

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How many labs have you been to as they can have a fair few underground floors. As for other building the main issue I have with the mod the game comes with that has multiple z-level buildings is that unless you need to disassemble some furniture there is really no point to them as nothing if barely anything spawns in them.

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/how-safe-are-z-levels-right-now/14780/5 "2018-01-10T18:00:44Z")

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The experimental z-level options don’t increase the number of levels, what they do is make the game load all the z-levels at the same time, which allows a certain amount of interaction between levels to happen.

They aren’t particularly _risky_ to enable, but they can make the game a little slow, and the set of features is incomplete.

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**Author:** ![DeWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeWolf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/DeWolf)\
**Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/how-safe-are-z-levels-right-now/14780/6 "2018-01-10T18:03:20Z")

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Not to mention the noise alerts in areas with populated z-levels. Ear plugs in vault cities is a must unless you have enhanced hearing and can just turn your ears off.

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/how-safe-are-z-levels-right-now/14780/7 "2018-01-10T18:14:03Z")

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Yea, that’s a bug, I need to make sure that’s marked as a release blocker, thanks for reminding me.  
EDIT: Actually there’s a fix [https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21400](https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21400)  
Is this still an issue, or do you just remember it being an issue?

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**Author:** ![proxiehunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e68b1a/32.png) [@proxiehunter](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/proxiehunter)\
**Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/how-safe-are-z-levels-right-now/14780/8 "2018-01-10T19:19:17Z")

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Not sure if it was from a mod or if vanilla really changed mansions but in a recent run I found a _three story_ mansion that was just packed with items. All the tools and clothing, including winter clothing, a character could ever need. And a swimming pool for water and in a forest for scavengeable bushes and wood. If it hadn’t been packed with zombies and so far from a town it would have been a perfect base. The full of zombies part was that characters downfall, three deep bites after I was out of first aid kits and while I was able to cauterize two the other one became infected.

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**Author:** ![DeWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeWolf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/DeWolf)\
**Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/how-safe-are-z-levels-right-now/14780/9 "2018-01-10T20:00:01Z")

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I have never seen it before. But then again I haven’t played in three months.

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**Author:** ![Zhilkin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zhilkin/32/3749_2.png) [@Zhilkin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zhilkin)\
**Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/how-safe-are-z-levels-right-now/14780/10 "2018-01-10T20:28:03Z")

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If it is 3x3 mansion then it is probably:

> <https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/22072>

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**Author:** ![Aggregate](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/aggregate/32/1484_2.png) [@Aggregate](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Aggregate)\
**Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 9:24am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/how-safe-are-z-levels-right-now/14780/11 "2018-01-11T09:24:11Z")

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I can still hear underground Mi-Go from outside a lab. Also heard a Shoggoth one level down. Maybe they should have their volumes lowered slightly?