How do you guys play without some savescumming?

[hydroplatypus]

o you see the current health system as a work-in-progress

I’m can’t recall where, but I think there’s been talk of moving to an injury-based health system, rather than the hit point based system we currently have. Don’t recall the details though

[TooDAMNMuch]

evolving turrets? but i thought “magical” science like nanomachines and such are strictly off limits, not sure what else would really be able to significantly improve a turret over it’s baseline without literally replacing the guts/workings either.

you could say software updates, maybe? if desperate and handwave the reasoning behind some being out of date due to… well… frankly, did the cataclysm ever develop a proper internet? it seems to be still around the early 80s-90s technology wise to my eyes in that regard.

show me one single person with a non-portable personal computer that isn’t a console, it doesn’t exist in game, computers are a luxury above all others in this world, that much is clear.

don’t even get me started on wifi, they don’t seem to have any sophisticated wireless connection types in game at all, only simplistic RC controllers.

[Stevepunk]

Easy. Machine learning.
It’s grounded in reality. Current technology.
As to why you would want machine learning in a turret, govts were desperate to stop the spread of the outbreak. By the end they would try anything. Grasping at straws. Remember that some facilities were nuked to stop outbreaks.

The suggestion was actually a joke but now that we’re discussing it I think it fits.

[TooDAMNMuch]

so, KARR then? i mean, sure machine learning is one thing, but wouldn’t that be crossing the boundary into self programming, not just learning?

edit: damn me, now i want a monster for crazy cataclysm that is 100% beyond any and all shadow of a doubt impossible to implement from what i understand.

[Stevepunk]

Could be as simple as improvements to dispersion over time (due to time spent tracking targets/environment). Starting lower than standard then ending higher.

Doesn’t make sense to have them get better by firing as they all have limited ammo.

[TooDAMNMuch]

the problem i see with that method is would you be able to beat the turret after running away from it once or twice since you’ve given it more practice.

it certainly probably wouldn’t be realistic for it to take as long to train the skill as the PC.

[TheZoneWizard]

My only turret gripe is the absurd placement of turrets in a lab, that do not protect anything at all.

Walking around a benign corner to get murdered is something damn mean spirited and piss poor design. Those turrets that are stationed in the middle a n open space behind a fence. They serve no purpose at all save to piss on the player. It is less realistic and annoying. Kinda like stashing gun turrets in a toilet bowl for a “SURPRISE B!T*H!!! pew pew pew!! ” dick move…

[hydroplatypus]

The ones at the enterance, and in armouries make sense. Especially as they only exist if you break in, being removed if the door is either hacked or opened with a keycard. Maybe if there was more placement like that it would be a bit better.

[TheZoneWizard]

This I completely agree with. I have no problem with a logic to something. Even the road blocks kinda make sense. We do not know what was the threat for that defense. But propping turrets in areas for random murder is illogical.

[faefux]

I agree with this too, my thinking is that more than anything else Turrets would have been a deterant, largely, not /actually/ expected to murder people in many situations.

Though, having said that, we don’t actually know when or under what siutation they were deployed.

[JayThirtySeven]

Just wanna throw out there it would take like 45 seconds to make a “No Turrets” blacklist mod.

And for the original topic: Sometimes I save scum and sometimes I don’t. This is usually something I decide before I start. Sometimes I generate a world on default settings, use few or no mods, and commit to dying whenever I die. Other times I generate worlds with weird settings, easier or harder options, lots of mods, and just do whatever I feel like including scumming when I die.

One of the reasons I love CDDA so much is that it’s always the kind of game I want to play because I can just mod it (or not). It’s the same reason I have way too many hours into Skyrim, New Vegas, and Fallout 4; they’re always new and always custom tailored to be fun for me through the magic of mods.

[Kyti]

Safe Mode Off, creep in to zombie infested areas and try to draw them out one at a time, usually end up saying “screw it” at some point and dying when I become surrounded on all sides by a massive horde, reset world and start over with new character. While I don’t go back to reload before a death or something, I DID make my own custom character class for funzies, because I got tired of not being able to carry anything if I didn’t find a backpack right away and it was time-consuming to choose all the traits and stuff that I wanted every time I have to restart. New class starts with a bunch of survivor gear, a couple bionics relevant to my character’s backstory, and a few traits I like to take every time, so all I have to do is adjust stats, name my character, and go. It took a while before I realized there was even a way to reload to before a death, so I just got used to starting over every time.

[faefux]

I got tired of not being able to carry anything if I didn’t find a backpack right away and it was time-consuming to choose all the traits and stuff that I wanted every time I have to restart.

Hit ! at the end of chargen to save your build as a template.

[Kyti]

Haha, yeah, I’ve done that before. Forgot about that. x.x

[TheZoneWizard]

Was not against turrets. I’m against illogical areas for their placement.

[JayThirtySeven]

I mean, you mainly seem to be saying that they put the turrets in the wrong places to repel invaders and as a result they keep killing you when you invade. If I wanted to defend a lab with turrets I don’t think I’d leave them all in obvious locations.

[crazykiddeath]

Tbf, I think it goes both ways. putting them in both expected (an armoury for example) and unexpected places but at the same time would YOU feel comfortable working in a place with turrets in your quarters and toilets?

Turrets under someone elses control I might add.

[JayThirtySeven]

Sure that could be pretty unsettling but these are also labs where they are experimenting on actual zombies and have automated dissector machines all over the place. I assume there was some system to prevent the turrets from attacking researchers so they might actually seem like one of the less dangerous features of the workplace.

I don’t actually have a strong opinion of where the turrets should or shouldn’t be. Procedural generation tends to place things in odd locations so I never really questioned it. Turrets placed in random rooms around the lab are manageable as long as you peek through doors before entering, but it wouldn’t bother me if they were removed or replaced with something else.

Maybe the most amusing solution would be to add lore about it. Like you find memos or emails saying “Does anybody know why security division installed a turret in my office this morning? They told me it’s completely safe but I swear it keeps aiming at me when I turn away.”

[crazykiddeath]

Well, we all know how well that worked out
But I actually agree and I’m always for adding a bit more lore to flesh the world out.
“How can anyone use the toilets with that turret watching? the bloody thing is hell on my nerves”

[JayThirtySeven]