# High perception needed to spot tiny items -bullets/berries/ batteries- at range

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/high-perception-needed-to-spot-tiny-items-bullets-berries-batteries-at-range/9041>\
**Category:** The Drawing Board\
**Created:** [March 4, 2015, 2:29am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/high-perception-needed-to-spot-tiny-items-bullets-berries-batteries-at-range/9041 "2015-03-04T02:29:51Z")\
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**Author:** ![CosmicKobal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@CosmicKobal](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/CosmicKobal)\
**Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 2:29am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/high-perception-needed-to-spot-tiny-items-bullets-berries-batteries-at-range/9041/1 "2015-03-04T02:29:51Z")

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my most recent idea is that High perception should be required to spot tiny items like bullets/berries/ batteries etc at a distance. you can still manually search a square with the ‘x’ key, but i think you should have to have at least 11 perception to be able to spot a single bullet casing from 15 tiles away for example.

or you should also be able to see them regardless if you are in an adjacent tile.

been awake for 36 hours now, so maybe this makes more sense to me than I’ve typed out…

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 8:58am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/high-perception-needed-to-spot-tiny-items-bullets-berries-batteries-at-range/9041/2 "2015-03-04T08:58:39Z")

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Interesting idea but probably needs tweaked a little. Respectfully suggest that 36 hours is a bit much and sleep would be worthwhile IMO.

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**Author:** ![Coolthulhu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/coolthulhu/32/2446_2.png) [@Coolthulhu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Coolthulhu)\
**Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 10:15am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/high-perception-needed-to-spot-tiny-items-bullets-berries-batteries-at-range/9041/3 "2015-03-04T10:15:54Z")

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I’d rather have it apply to tiny monsters instead, especially if they’re hidden in bushes, under tables etc.

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**Author:** ![Zero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a88e57/32.png) [@Zero](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zero)\
**Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 2:12pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/high-perception-needed-to-spot-tiny-items-bullets-berries-batteries-at-range/9041/4 "2015-03-04T14:12:18Z")

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Crawlers lurking under tables in the dark? Makes sense.