# Healthcare skill will not progress under any circumstance

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822>\
**Category:** The Garage\
**Created:** [January 29, 2021, 1:48am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822 "2021-01-29T01:48:06Z")\
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**Author:** ![buddySmiles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@buddySmiles](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/buddySmiles)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 1:48am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822/1 "2021-01-29T01:48:06Z")

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No mods or anything. I noticed it was stuck at 0%, proceeded to read Big Book of First Aid, and I noticed that it did this

![healthcare bug](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/cataclysmdda/original/2X/1/17a51cc79973198d41ad55ad9ed38c63af6329ba.jpeg)

I tried debugging a skillpoint into it to see if that would work, no dice. Any help would be appreciated.

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**Author:** ![Valase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/valase/32/6972_2.png) [@Valase](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Valase)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 5:37am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822/2 "2021-01-29T05:37:35Z")

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Version?

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**Author:** ![buddySmiles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@buddySmiles](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/buddySmiles)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 3:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822/3 "2021-01-29T15:55:31Z")

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0.E-9229-G6902525-DIRTY

I posted about it on git and apparently the same issue has happened for vehicles, as well.

I’ve never had a big bug like this on experimental before. Does anyone know if my save file will ever be usable again? Is there a way to fix it through save file editing, or something?

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**Author:** ![Paul\_Blay](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/paul_blay/32/6803_2.png) [@Paul\_Blay](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Paul_Blay)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822/4 "2021-01-29T18:56:55Z")

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> [@buddySmiles](#):
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> Is there a way to fix it through save file editing, or something?

Save editing should be doable. However, if you don’t know why it happened the first time you don’t know if it will happen again. I’ll take a look see.

It wasn’t just health care, there were two or three other bugged skills as well. I put a fixed version of the .sav file for “Lemmy”. Extract and copy over old version in your save folder. I put it on the github because it’s easier that way (it’s tiny, so hopefully nobody will object).

> <https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/47096#issuecomment-769990271>
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> \# Describe the bug
> Healthcare is stuck at 0% regardless of anything I do, even …skill books are bugged
> 
> I noticed it was at 0%, read Big Book of First Aid, and it produces a very large negative number.
> 
> \# Steps To Reproduce
> I have no idea, really.
> \<!-- Steps to reproduce the behavior:
> 1. Make a player with a gun, magazine, and some ammo.
> 2. Try to aim at a wall.
> 3. There's no way to increase aim level. --\>
> 
> 
> \# Expected behavior
> 
> \<!-- A clear and concise description of what you expected to happen.
> Ideally also describe \*why\* you expect it to happen. --\>
> My healthcare skill would increase :)
> 
> \# Screenshots
> 
> \<!-- \*\*If applicable\*\*, add screenshots to help explain your problem.
> 
> Do not take a screenshot of the crashing window. Please provide the crash logs in the "Additional context" --\>
> 
> https://i.imgur.com/VKZjbI9.jpg
> 
> \# Versions and configuration
> 
> \<!-- Please complete the following information; you can now go to:
> - "Main menu (ESC) \> Debug Menu \> Info \> Generate game report" to generate this report.
> - Please update your OS version with a more precise version.
> 
> \- OS: Windows
> - OS Version: 10.0 2004
> \- Game Version: 0.E-9280-g9dde4db-dirty \[64-bit\]
> \- Graphics Version: Tiles
> \- Game Language: System language \[\]
> \- Mods loaded: \[
> Dark Days Ahead \[dda\],
> Disable NPC Needs \[no\_npc\_food\],
> Bionic Professions \[package\_bionic\_professions\]
> \]
> 
> - OS: \[e.g. iOS 8 or Windows 10 or Ubuntu 18.04\]
> - Game Version: \[from the main menu, e.g. 0.C-29938-g90f5268437\]
> - Graphics version: \[Tiles or Terminal\]
> - Ingame language: \[Arabic or Bulgarian or Chinese (Simplified) or Chinese (Traditional) or Dutch or Esperanto or French or German or Italian (Italy) or Japanese or Korean or Polish or Portuguese (Brazil) or Russian or Serbian or Spanish (Argentina) or Spanish (Spain) or Turkish\]
> - Mods loaded: \[e.g.dda, boats, hacktheplanet, StatsThroughSkills\]
> --\>
> 
> \# Additional context
> 
> Not sure how to provide my save
> \<!-- Add any other context about the problem here.
> 
> Crash: if your problem refers to a crash, please add the following files to the "Additional Context" paragraph:
> - From the /config folder (you can zip them both together):
> - crash.log file.
> - debug.log file.
> - Your save file (zipped)
> 
> \- note #1: you can drag and drop files in this issue post!
> \[Jackson Junction.zip\](https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/files/5891166/Jackson.Junction.zip)
> 
> \- note #2: it is very important for us that you provide a save file in case of a crash. It really helps the developers
> to reproduce the bug and fix it. If possible, try to provide a save file that occurs in the right conditions, just
> before the crash happens. --\>
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> 
> \> 
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> \> What happens if you debug edit your Healthcare skill to 1? Can you increase it by reading / practice after that or is it still bugged up?
> 
> I should've mentioned that this was the first thing I did. It has no effect as far as I could tell. I spammed bandages on limbs to see if it'd go up again, as well as reading the book again, same issue.

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**Author:** ![buddySmiles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@buddySmiles](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/buddySmiles)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 7:26pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822/5 "2021-01-29T19:26:24Z")

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Thank you so much! CDDA has the best community for a game I’ve ever experienced, tbh.

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**Author:** ![zombiefodder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/858c86/32.png) [@zombiefodder](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/zombiefodder)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 11:49pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822/6 "2021-01-29T23:49:16Z")

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Hello,

I’m also experiencing this problem, It is not exclusive to health care skill and it’s pretty game breaking because it comes back even after manual fix.

Version: I returned to CDDA 2 days ago and pretty every one of my characters had some of their skills bugged so not sure if the bug was there before but it’s there at least since Wednesday.

- if the skill is bugged you can see it in the save file, it’s exercise value will be a big negative number
- it can reset your progress back to zero even if you gained some exp%.
- you can “fix it” by editing the exercise value but it can just bug out again

Example from attached picture: character had a bunch of bugged skills including melee, fixed them by manual edit and continued playing, gained exp again. Got into a long fight with mi-go, checked my melee skill and it was reset back to 0%, exercise value in save file returned to it’s bugged state.

 ![major skill bug](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/cataclysmdda/original/2X/0/09261ffaebfde11e7dec0383ba7e8863cd4a03ef.jpeg)

No idea what triggers the bug, I was just doing the usual early game stuff, nothing fancy.

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**Author:** ![GiggleGrassGatherer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/gigglegrassgatherer/32/7743_2.png) [@GiggleGrassGatherer](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GiggleGrassGatherer)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 3:31am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822/7 "2021-01-30T03:31:32Z")

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Looking at that number, it’s almost certainly an overflow error.

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**Author:** ![Paul\_Blay](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/paul_blay/32/6803_2.png) [@Paul\_Blay](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Paul_Blay)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 5:47am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822/8 "2021-01-30T05:47:08Z")

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> [@zombiefodder](#):
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> No idea what triggers the bug,

At some point skill learning (and some other stuff) was ‘refactored’ by 1000. I’d guess that some code was messed up during that process. You could probably ‘downgrade’ to an earlier version of CDDA. Has anyone worked out exactly what build it stops working at? I’m on 11398 and I haven’t noticed any problems yet (but I haven’t been playing much recently).

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**Author:** ![zombiefodder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/858c86/32.png) [@zombiefodder](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/zombiefodder)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822/9 "2021-01-31T17:30:56Z")

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> [@GiggleGrassGatherer](#):
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> Looking at that number, it’s almost certainly an overflow error.

not sure what that means but is there any way to prevent that from happening?

I’ve made a fresh install and upgraded to 11421 and it keeps bugging out 🤢  
Doesnt seem like a lot of people are experiencing this, could it be related to my hardware or something?

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**Author:** ![Paul\_Blay](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/paul_blay/32/6803_2.png) [@Paul\_Blay](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Paul_Blay)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2021, 5:46pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822/10 "2021-01-31T17:46:27Z")

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> [@zombiefodder](#):
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> Doesnt seem like a lot of people are experiencing this, could it be related to my hardware or something?

I suspect it’s more likely because you’re using a more recent version than other people. Personally, I’m not going to update to the latest build before it’s fixed.

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**Author:** ![GiggleGrassGatherer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/gigglegrassgatherer/32/7743_2.png) [@GiggleGrassGatherer](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GiggleGrassGatherer)\
**Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 1:22pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822/11 "2021-02-01T13:22:13Z")

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> [@zombiefodder](#):
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> not sure what that means but is there any way to prevent that from happening?

code bug. only thing you can do is play on older version or just wait till it is fixed. there’s a report about it already on github.

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**Author:** ![zombiefodder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/858c86/32.png) [@zombiefodder](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/zombiefodder)\
**Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 3:48pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822/12 "2021-02-01T15:48:48Z")

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Hello again,  
I’ve found a way to reproduce the bug : do any exp gaining activity while you have 1 focus and Albino trait. I’m still not sure if Albino is necessary or just provides the constant focus drain for the bug to occur.

I’ve tested it on 5 different characters and it always bugged out but only when I had the Albino. I’ve made a couple of non Albino characters, drained their focus to 1, did some exping and it didn’t bug out. I still think it’s related to focus not the trait per se but it’s just a guess.

If anyone feels like testing it on their setup you can do it in 2 min: make Albino character wilderness start, forage a few bushes to get a few survival %, wait on the sun for a hour to kill your focus, start foraging again with focus 1\> bug should kick in after a min or so of foraging\> survival exp is back to 0 and save file is corrupted (big negative exercise value).

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**Author:** ![buddySmiles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@buddySmiles](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/buddySmiles)\
**Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822/13 "2021-02-01T17:01:16Z")

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This might be confirmation bias, but all of my characters typically have albino, and I can now confirm I had three instances of this happening with different characters. I ended up just reverting to a build from a week ago, has not happened since.

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**Author:** ![anothersimulacrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/anothersimulacrum/32/10770_2.png) [@anothersimulacrum](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/anothersimulacrum)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 8:52pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822/14 "2021-02-03T20:52:50Z")

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Yeah, albino modifies focus directly, which caused it to become negative, and caused problems with the skill gain calculations.

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**Author:** ![Bouchart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@Bouchart](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Bouchart)\
**Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 4:11am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822/15 "2021-02-05T04:11:06Z")

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I have this bug with a character who does not have the Albino trait. I started with Heroin Addict, which causes Focus to tank from opioid withdrawal.