Grenadiers - WTF

[deoxy]

The most common place I see them is military crash sites, but even then, they aren’t really all that common.

The next most common place I see them is military outposts, but the turrets usually put them down for you the first time, so…

They seem fairly rare in labs (always in the barracks rooms, though stairs in there let them out every once in a great while), though I have seen two in the same barracks a couple of times.

I don’t recall ever seeing them anywhere else (at least, natively - I have hordes on these days, so they can end up anywhere).

[pisskop]

Manhacks cannot go through cars.

[deoxy]

Manhacks cannot go through cars.

But grenadiers don’t use manhacks, they use explosive hacks of various kinds, and while the hacks themselves can’t go through cars, their explosions absolutely can.

High speed drive-bythrough can be a way to deal with them, if the grenadier is in a good spot for it. Since they don’t follow you, they are difficult to position.

[redxlaser15]

 I've never done a LOT of things in Cataclysm, in short: what is a manhack and the other 'hacks'? Are they robots of some sort? I've always been a bit of a character that 'turtles,' going slow, taking few risks and not going to far from home a lot of the time. Thus I've missed out on a lot.

[deoxy]

Yeah, they are very small robots.

Manhacks are basically sharpened frisbees with an engine to keep them in the air - low damage, but quite difficult to hit in melee. These are very much the most common type, as they can be found loose in labs, and the can also be dropped by scientist zombies.

The other hacks are all released by grenadiers/elite grenadiers, and the all fly at their enemies and explode. Teargas hacks, flashbang hacks, they aren’t TOO bad, but grenade hacks can ruin your whole day, and don’t get me started on C-4 hacks.

Mininuke hacks are, luckily, VERY rare - the elite grenadier can launch just one at you. Those are bad things. Make sure you have a ranged weapon that you are a VERY good shot with - don’t want that one going off anywhere you can see it.

[_k1]

Have you fought coyotes? Manhacks are mini flying steel coyotes with combat knife fangs.

[redxlaser15]

 Well, I can apparently hit a spider better with a throwing stick than with a melee weapon. Not sure if it would do enough damage to get through much armor, since robots tend to have some.
 *remembers zombies trying to hit eyebots, rarely hitting and then not mattering when it actually does it cuz of armor* I broke into several places around my base so there are like five groups of zombies trying (and failing) to kill eyebots. Not sure how close hacks are to eyebots though...

[Haerdalas]

Depending on strength and throwing skill, stuff like throwing sticks CAN damage hacks, though you might need a few of them. Since ranged attacks ignore dodge, this is actually one of the better ways to deal with them. Trying to take them in melee is a annoying prospect of endless misses for anyone with skills below about 5, though. Still doable since they do very little damage per hit, but expect to take countless minor hit and have your clothes heavily ripped up by the end.

[redxlaser15]

 Well, seeing as 'ranged attacks ignore dodge' is it not possible to get high enough in dodging to dodge a bullet? cuz I've always wanted that really badly, i'm high enough in dodge that brutes and hulks have trouble hitting me. Of course, you can't dodge an explosion, though...

[Haerdalas]

Under normal circumstances, no, you cannot dodge a bullet. There is, however, a CBM called “uncanny dodge” that DOES let you dodge bullets. Not sure of the exact mechanics behind it, but it works.

[pisskop]

[quote="§k, post:14, topic:13467"]Have you fought coyotes? Manhacks are mini flying steel coyotes with combat knife fangs.[/quote]i luled

[Rycon_Roleplays]

Just killed one recently, made for a terrifying early game experience.

[pisskop]

their vision radius is something likely thirty tiles.

their aggression is less than 100, but even passive [grenadier] and [elite_ grenadier] will pop their ammo if they can see the PC

[Azrad]

The only thing that bums me about them is the ones in military outposts have a decent chance of dying via the milspec turrets. They release their -hacks, and the blast can destroy some of the loot before I even know what they are.

[Michi]

very happy to see there is a no exploding zombie mod. That’s a keeper.

[redxlaser15]

[quote=“pisskop, post:21, topic:13467”]their vision radius is something likely thirty tiles.

their aggression is less than 100, but even passive [grenadier] and [elite_ grenadier] will pop their ammo if they can see the PC[/quote]

 So, as a side question with vision radius, does a crawling zombie have a vision radius of, like, five tiles? I can be super loud, in the open in the middle of the day, and they never notice my until I'm about that close.

[kevin.granade]

So, as a side question with vision radius, does a crawling zombie have a vision radius of, like, five tiles? I can be super loud, in the open in the middle of the day, and they never notice my until I’m about that close.

Yep, it’s very short compared to most zombies, about 10. Probably they notice you at 10 tiles, but you can take a few more steps before they move the first time.

[Chezzo]

Wait, §k fights coyotes?!?

[pisskop]

Wolf coyotes, otherwise known as the single coregame example of 2 monster ids sharing the same as name, are aggressive

[_k1]

I fought coyote, wolf, moose, feral predator, night stalker, brute, master, hulk, and then lost my bike and died.

It’s what happened on year 1, winter 10, the last day Kogan Conejo lived.

I wonder if the next Kogan survives a whole year. Then I can move onto the next name. Sakzul, maybe.