Game progression and difficulty

jimboblordofeskimos · 2014-01-20T20:36:15.000Z

Ice labs can be an interesting challenge.

Oragepoilu · 2014-01-20T23:26:43.000Z

jimboblordofeskimos:

Ice labs can be an interesting challenge.

Yeah, i remember seeing myself wearing 2 fur couch (or whatever it’s called, i don’t remember, it cover all the body) tro avoid freezing to death, so i was fighting with a HUDGE penality.

RoboViking · 2014-01-21T01:58:56.000Z

When i got a sword the game became too easy. Before then it was one of the best gaming experiences I’ve had in a long time. Great game!
yes, the challenge needs to be ramped up with time. The game should force you to create a base w traps and light for example.
also, I think slaying hordes using windows should be more difficult, for example introducing battle mechanisms that improves the chance of you becoming surrounded. Zds should always be deadly and scary.

Zireael · 2014-01-21T08:31:20.000Z

Yeah, I agree that Cata needs more lategame content.

Inadequate · 2014-01-21T09:13:43.000Z

Not really sure what the point of this discussion is. Everyone seems to agree that more late-game content is needed, and the more common suggestions are, if the debs are to be believed, apparently already in progress. Everything here is just retreading a well-worn path.

Dominae · 2014-01-21T19:57:59.000Z

Inadequate:

Not really sure what the point of this discussion is. Everyone seems to agree that more late-game content is needed, and the more common suggestions are, if the debs are to be believed, apparently already in progress. Everything here is just retreading a well-worn path.

Not sure it requires “a point” beyond “people sitting around talking about the game in the Gameplay, Tactics, and General Discussion area” does it? It is nice to see you pop in for your regularly scheduled be-a-debbie-downer-in-the-discussion though, so welcome

Consider it people sitting around having a discussion. Some of the people are new to the forum too, it looks like. Some of this may be helpful because it gives people new ideas on what some mid-game stuff there is to do currently, or maybe they don’t know what exactly is planned. Other times it IS nice to just have a “yeah, glad we all agree and look forward to updates” conversation.

DG123 · 2014-01-21T22:10:59.000Z

The point? The point is that I’ve seen lots of interesting stuff on the wiki but encountered very little of it in game and I was wondering where the heck it was lurking in the world.

Oragepoilu · 2014-01-22T01:19:07.000Z

Dominae:

/blabla

Just don’t mind too much about comment from inadequate, he is often like this.

infectedmochi · 2014-01-22T01:27:38.000Z

DG123:

The point? The point is that I’ve seen lots of interesting stuff on the wiki but encountered very little of it in game and I was wondering where the heck it was lurking in the world.

I’m not exactly experienced here but most of those mid and late game enemies can only be encountered in specially locations such as lab, mine, temple, triffid grove, fungal spire…

Bonevomit · 2014-01-22T23:30:58.000Z

honestly when I was starting to get bored of how easy the late game was, I just jacked up the monster spawn rate to 50 and now it’s hard enough just to survive to the late game, and even then it’s super cool actually being unable to even raid towns without a solid plan. Zombies literally flood the streets and you have to slowly work your way in.

I try and recommend it to those bored of the lack of difficulty in the game but people don’t seem to be taking up the offer.

Fish · 2014-01-23T00:09:57.000Z

I think that’s mostly due to the fact that rouguelikes like you to get really powerful then throw something at you when you least expect it.

Zzzzzz BAM BAM BAM GAAAAH ZOMBEAR!

or…

The turret fires it smg! The turret headshots you THE END

Even…

doo de do ZOMBIE HULK SMASHES DOWN BATHROOM DOOR! YAAAAAAARGH!

Deadly cocktail of sheer boredom and instant death.

DG123 · 2014-01-23T01:08:02.000Z

How tough is a zombie hulk anyway? Seeing as I now have a railgun doing a ridiculous amount of damage, I’m wondering what can survive a shot from it.

Fish · 2014-01-23T01:50:30.000Z

With zomb hulks I think its a question. Who dies first you or him? I don’t REALLY know how powerful one is but a friend of my wrestles with them for fun (20 strength + hydraulic muscles = equal match no weapons just fists).

Dominae · 2014-01-23T17:42:49.000Z

I still panic when a Hulk is close, but they’re honestly not too dangerous if you don’t try and melee them unprepared.

-> Easiest way = Unloading a weapon in burst mode from a very short distance turns them into paste, just like it does to pretty much anything else in game. From a distance? They’re nothing really but hitpoints, so the railgun should mutilate it if you can aim it well enough and reload before he reaches you.

-> Kart-Fusub[/sub] works on them insanely well. (G)rab a shopping cart, maneuver it between you and your attacker. They’re forced to climb onto it (like climbing through a window) and you get a free swipe or two at them. Step back, force them to reclimb on the cart at you again, repeat (Its the melee Cata equivalent to stepping backwards and firing ranged in DCSS). I’ve killed a brute this way with a day-1 character with zero skills to see if it was possible/overpowered tactically. A hulk isn’t too much harder as long as he doesn’t do his Kool-Aid Man “Oh Yeah!” rush attack and demolish the cart on you.

-> With layered survivor gear and a good practiced melee character (I think I had around 6 or 7 skill in Dodge, Melee, and my weapon skill) you can go toe-to-toe with one and pretty much walk away. I think I took a couple solid hits, but from full health I never dropped below green in anything even with Glass Jaw.

Grendus · 2014-01-23T20:01:11.000Z

Hulks are easy in late game. A skilled blades user can take one down with a lit Rising Sun in about four swings, and by that point your dodge skill should be high enough that he won’t land a hit. I’ve killed them in all sorts of different ways though - tanked it inside a molotov’s blast radius, trapped it in a burning building, straight up slaughter, burst fire shotgun slugs, explosive arrows (not as effective as I’d hoped, but got the job done), crossbow, turret, car. It’s not that hard, you just have to be prepared.

Sanarr · 2014-01-24T10:30:01.000Z

I agree that game needs more challenges. Not only enemies, but different trap-like situations, diseases, deadlier poisons, natural hazards etc. Survival is hard thing, especially when apocalypse is around. More to say, game have to keep you from relaxing. When playing ADOM, for example, I’ve died a lot when I imagined that my char is "very skilled and well equipped ", primary due to loss of caution, not to lack of gaming experience.

Maybe creature lairs should be able to reproduce itself representing spreading of fungi, ants etc. In addition, terrain near nests might be altered either (ants destroying buildings for their nests, goo filling buildings making them unhabitable, etc.) .

Zireael · 2014-01-24T10:34:48.000Z

Maybe creature lairs should be able to reproduce itself representing spreading of fungi, ants etc. In addition, terrain near nests might be altered either (ants destroying buildings for their nests, goo filling buildings making them unhabitable, etc.) .

Dynamically altered map sounds a very cool idea. I’m going to look at Github whether it’s been suggested or not.

Pageman · 2014-01-25T01:36:02.000Z

I think the most dangerous thing in a apocalypse is the people itself. after 1/2 years(seasons in CDD) the survivals already adapted and learned how to survive and deal with the enemy.( except hordes)

If the npc were fixed and worked in a way to simulate real survivors, camps, bases, the late game would be awesome! Imagine getting strong and scavenging for weapons and ammo just to take a hostile compound of cannibals shooting BULLETS at you, and all that just to take their sweet loot!

fight the dead, fear the living…

i2amroy · 2014-01-25T08:22:57.000Z

[quote=“Zireael, post:25, topic:4801”]

Maybe creature lairs should be able to reproduce itself representing spreading of fungi, ants etc. In addition, terrain near nests might be altered either (ants destroying buildings for their nests, goo filling buildings making them unhabitable, etc.) .

Dynamically altered map sounds a very cool idea. I’m going to look at Github whether it’s been suggested or not.[/quote]
It’s planned, both for spreading after world-gen and the ability of things like fungus or insect colonies to “take over” other terrain; just waiting on some of the more major map rewrites that are needed to implement it well before it goes on the to-do list.

Bonevomit · 2014-01-25T17:12:14.000Z

[quote=“Pageman, post:26, topic:4801”]I think the most dangerous thing in a apocalypse is the people itself. after 1/2 years(seasons in CDD) the survivals already adapted and learned how to survive and deal with the enemy.( except hordes)

If the npc were fixed and worked in a way to simulate real survivors, camps, bases, the late game would be awesome! Imagine getting strong and scavenging for weapons and ammo just to take a hostile compound of cannibals shooting BULLETS at you, and all that just to take their sweet loot!

fight the dead, fear the living…[/quote]
I always got the impression that people were being totally wiped out and would be extinct soon after the cataclysm, as the game gets harsher, mutant wildlife levels increase, and every year things get more and more hellish.

That kind of progressive difficulty would be what I would want.

Like by year 3 you better have 100 dodge, plenty of ammo, a big truck, and enough CBMS and mutations to defeat an army.