# For you survivalists out there I give you...- Litter!

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476>\
**Category:** The Drawing Board\
**Created:** [December 12, 2013, 2:49am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476 "2013-12-12T02:49:20Z")\
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**Author:** ![Rookrune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Rookrune](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Rookrune)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 2:49am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/1 "2013-12-12T02:49:20Z")

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I myself like to ruff it out in the wild right from the start building up my skills, not even stepping into a town.  
Its a great way to play.

My only problem is finding easy drinking water, I usually live off apple juice as much as a can, but water should not be that hard to come by right?

Rain water should suffice, but the problem is that to make a funnel you need plastic bottles, and that means usually going into suburbia.

So here is my idea: Litter!  
Its everywhere in irl so its not a stretch for it to be in cataclysm.  
Find it on the side of roads, by highways, hell even in town(litter was the least of there problems when the shit hit the fan).  
Sure most of it would be useless crap like empty chip bags and soda cans, but there would also be plastic bottles mixed in there too!.

Perfect way for you outdoors men to get your hands on some of that sweet life giving liquid!

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**Author:** ![kilozombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e274bd/32.png) [@kilozombie](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kilozombie)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 2:52am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/2 "2013-12-12T02:52:18Z")

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Some people are really careless. Small chance to have liquid-filled containers? OJ and such would be rotten though.

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**Author:** ![Dominae](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/dominae/32/53_2.png) [@Dominae](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Dominae)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 2:53am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/3 "2013-12-12T02:53:35Z")

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Adding something like … a Camp Ground area (a full RV park/campground), or just a picnic table + non-movable charcoal grill + a couple trash cans that might have trash items in them (as you’d see at ANY government owned park) would be totally realistic. They’d need to spawn between roads and big forests to make sense.

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**Author:** ![Rookrune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Rookrune](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Rookrune)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 2:55am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/4 "2013-12-12T02:55:18Z")

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> [@Dominae](#):
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> Adding something like … a Camp Ground area (a full RV park/campground), or just a picnic table + non-movable charcoal grill + a couple trash cans that might have trash items in them (as you’d see at ANY government owned park) would be totally realistic. They’d need to spawn between roads and big forests to make sense.

Hay not a bad idea. I could see that too.

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**Author:** ![Hyena\_Grin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/hyena_grin/32/894_2.png) [@Hyena\_Grin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Hyena_Grin)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 3:23am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/5 "2013-12-12T03:23:56Z")

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Actually yeah. I mean some amount of ‘litter’ already exists but it’s mostly in the form of random car parts.

Garbage dotted around roads and highways outside of towns, maybe trash cans on sidewalks (in both upright and knocked over variations, with garbage strewn on the ground).

The vast majority would be pretty useless, but the occasional torn bit of clothing to make rags out of, empty bottles to store water, that sort of thing, could be helpful to a wanderer.

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**Author:** ![deadmerits](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/deadmerits/32/19_2.png) [@deadmerits](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/deadmerits)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 6:12am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/6 "2013-12-12T06:12:54Z")

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> [@kilozombie](#):
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> Some people are really careless. Small chance to have liquid-filled containers? OJ and such would be rotten though.

A glass bottle partially filled with… what’s that? Beer? Gulp! Yuck! Piss! -25 morale

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**Author:** ![GrizzlyAdamz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/grizzlyadamz/32/8056_2.png) [@GrizzlyAdamz](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GrizzlyAdamz)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 7:29am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/7 "2013-12-12T07:29:48Z")

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> [@Rookrune](#):
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> Sure most of it would be useless crap like empty chip bags and soda cans, but there would also be plastic bottles mixed in there too!.

Actually empty chip bags = ‘plastic bags’ & are pretty useful. In fact you can shred them into plastic chunks & reinforce ballistic glasses. I tend to suffer a dearth of them as I don’t eat chips or beef jerky- (plenty of nutrition around, so something with -quench is a problem).

+1, yo devs: get your things together and dirty up this town!

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**Author:** ![Dominae](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/dominae/32/53_2.png) [@Dominae](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Dominae)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 7:42am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/8 "2013-12-12T07:42:18Z")

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> [@GrizzlyAdamz](#):
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> [quote=“Rookrune, post:1, topic:4476”]Sure most of it would be useless crap like empty chip bags and soda cans, but there would also be plastic bottles mixed in there too!.

Actually empty chip bags = ‘plastic bags’ & are pretty useful. In fact you can shred them into plastic chunks & reinforce ballistic glasses. I tend to suffer a dearth of them as I don’t eat chips or beef jerky- (plenty of nutrition around, so something with -quench is a problem).

+1, yo devs: get your things together and dirty up this town![/quote]

You can always (U)nload the chips and other junkfood and keep the sweet, sweet plastic chunks.  
I toss the thirst-causing junkfood in a bush and light it on fire.

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**Author:** ![Atelerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Atelerd](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Atelerd)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 8:17am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/9 "2013-12-12T08:17:48Z")

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Since water purification tablets are now common, there is no problem with water.

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**Author:** ![Inadequate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Inadequate](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Inadequate)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 8:27am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/10 "2013-12-12T08:27:50Z")

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You haven’t tried no-cities mode, have you? It’s an entirely different game. Personally I think this would be a welcome addition.

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**Author:** ![GrizzlyAdamz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/grizzlyadamz/32/8056_2.png) [@GrizzlyAdamz](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GrizzlyAdamz)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 2:34pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/11 "2013-12-12T14:34:54Z")

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Eh, for plastic chunks I just chop up a couple plastic clothing articles that’re lying outside my house.

> And leave half the new pile of shredded plastic outside.  
> Grizzlyadamz poignantly glares at Inadequate.

IIRC there’re a couple recipes that call for the baggies themselves, and for the longest time I had no idea where to get them.

!PROBLEM!  
How to handle acid rain? Litter would normally get dissolved.

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**Author:** ![Inadequate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Inadequate](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Inadequate)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 2:53pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/12 "2013-12-12T14:53:38Z")

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I believe stuff only gets dissolved when an acid puddle forms directly over it, and that only happens when it lies directly on the road. I’ve never had an issue with anything off the road dissolving.

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**Author:** ![GrizzlyAdamz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/grizzlyadamz/32/8056_2.png) [@GrizzlyAdamz](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GrizzlyAdamz)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/13 "2013-12-12T15:00:06Z")

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Oh, well then, carry on.

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**Author:** ![fishy1234555](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/fishy1234555/32/50_2.png) [@fishy1234555](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/fishy1234555)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/14 "2013-12-12T19:36:01Z")

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> [@Inadequate](#):
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> You haven’t tried no-cities mode, have you? It’s an entirely different game. Personally I think this would be a welcome addition.

I love to play that way it really changes the survival aspect

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 10:05pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/15 "2013-12-12T22:05:04Z")

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Good plan, what items should appear amoung “road trash”? (don’t feel the need to limit it to items in the game, e.g. “paper cup” should definitely be in there)

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**Author:** ![vache](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ea666f/32.png) [@vache](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/vache)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/16 "2013-12-12T22:29:53Z")

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paper wrapper, plastic bag, cigarette butt, loose change, empty bottles, empty cans, small pieces of paper/cloth/plastic, paper bags (fast food trash), styrofoam containers, broken small toys

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**Author:** ![John\_Candlebury](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/john_candlebury/32/6437_2.png) [@John\_Candlebury](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/John_Candlebury)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 10:31pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/17 "2013-12-12T22:31:01Z")

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copies of the amulet of yendor!

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**Author:** ![kilozombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e274bd/32.png) [@kilozombie](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kilozombie)\
**Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 10:33pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/18 "2013-12-12T22:33:25Z")

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Paper cups (occasionally have unidentified liquid)  
Paper plates  
Plastic utensils  
Puddle of unidentified liquid (water, juice, mutagen, sewage, human blood…)  
Glass bottle (occasionally have unidentified liquid)  
Glass cup (occasionally have unidentified liquid)  
Plastic bottle (occasionally have unidentified liquid)  
Plastic bag (occasionally have potato chips)  
Paper  
Notes (from the sticky in the Library thread… UGH)  
Rotten fruit  
Plastic chunks  
Bullet casings  
Tinfoil  
Tin can (occasionally have unidentified food)  
Unidentified food (masses of flesh, rotten beets, necco wafers, blueberries…)  
Paper bags  
Styrofoam cup (occasionally have unidentified liquid)  
Paper wrapper

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**Author:** ![infectedmochi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/infectedmochi/32/206_2.png) [@infectedmochi](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/infectedmochi)\
**Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/19 "2013-12-13T00:33:29Z")

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> [@John Candlebury](#):
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> copies of the amulet of yendor!

cheap plastic imitation of the Amulet of Yendor 🙂

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**Author:** ![FunsizeNinja123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/funsizeninja123/32/118_2.png) [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)\
**Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 1:31am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/for-you-survivalists-out-there-i-give-you-litter/4476/20 "2013-12-13T01:31:31Z")

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> [@Kevin Granade](#):
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> Good plan, what items should appear amoung “road trash”? (don’t feel the need to limit it to items in the game, e.g. “paper cup” should definitely be in there)

Cans, paper, rags, clothes(?), sheets (sometimes), maybe a book or two, cell phones…

Yeh.

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