For jump-starting blacksmithing: stone anvils

Random_dragon · 2015-11-03T18:01:11.000Z

Hmm. I do wonder then what would be the most efficient way to go about this, then. I do like the idea of an anvil alternative, but just adding more options to the anvil recipe might be better.

Iosyn · 2015-11-03T18:08:19.000Z

What is it at the moment? Just something like 4 lumps of steel welded into shape?
Adding more options should definitely be possible.
We could use a third opinion though.

Random_dragon · 2015-11-03T18:15:16.000Z

[quote=“Iosyn, post:6, topic:10791”]What is it at the moment? Just something like 4 lumps of steel welded into shape?
Adding more options should definitely be possible.
We could use a third opinion though.[/quote]

Let me check. I think it’s lumps or maybe a vehicle frame of some sort. Adding chunks or even scrap metal might be viable ways to make the recipe more accessible.

EDIT: Nope, it’s just 40 lumps of steel.

Iosyn · 2015-11-03T18:37:00.000Z

Well honestly as long as you have a welder you can scrap cars and metal frames into lumps-- but wait 40 lumps? sorry to ask but can you get the weight of that? I’m not sure we need so much metal. There are mini anvils that weigh about 20kg I think.

Current suggestion: Steel frame + Steel plating + Log OR 30 Gal drum. Tools required: welder, hammer.

Random_dragon · 2015-11-03T18:46:33.000Z

Will check the weight on this, yeah. Does seem a tad huge.

And hmm, might be a viable alternative, though if you have a welder, your ability to jumpstart metalcrafting is way ahead of if you only had the raw metal and woodland resources.

EDIT: Holy shit. Turns out that number of steel lumps is correct by weight. Anvils in Cataclysm are apparently the heavy, toon-flattening kind.

EDIT 2: I’m thinking the easier option might be to add chunks of steel, steel frames, and heavy duty frames to the recipe.

54000 grams: Weight of an anvil.
[hr]
1360 grams: Lump of steel, would need 40.

340 grams: Lump of steel, would need 159 (maybe round up to 160)

13607 grams: Steel frame, would need 4.

26000 grams: Heavy duty frame, would need 3 (maybe round down to 2).

Iosyn · 2015-11-03T19:27:29.000Z

54kg? That sounds about right for most uses in cata.

Most anvils seem to fall within the 100-150-200lb area (so about 45-60-90kg) and the problem seems to be mainly one of stability-- you want to make sure the anvil and working surface is stable. 100lb anvils would be considered portable I think?

So say 2 steel frames, some steel plating and a log, since what you really need above all else is a stable base.
Tools… Welder + hammer, or for innawoods characters… I don’t know. Hammer + crucible + fire?

Random_dragon · 2015-11-03T19:31:32.000Z

Hmm. Not sure yet, but for now I’m simply adding to the list of options to melt down for it, as can be found here: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/13889

Welding-based, long and such methods might need to produce a separate item, or at least use an alternative recipe. Assuming we don’t flesh the existing recipe out so that the logical need for a flat surface becomes the focus of the recipe.

Midaychi · 2015-11-03T22:24:28.000Z

What about adding in a blacksmithing quality? That way you can have anvil tiers and a reason to upgrade once you get the tools.

Random_dragon · 2015-11-03T22:27:02.000Z

Possibly, though at present that might be work for another day of PRs. >w<

Midaychi · 2015-11-03T23:31:01.000Z

This probably works better anyways, because it gives alternate recipes to fix the goggle issue without changing the whole system.

Random_dragon · 2015-11-03T23:33:26.000Z

Maybe, though for now…hnng.

Theundyingcode · 2015-11-04T01:46:03.000Z

I kinda like the way it is now. Getting an anvil is an achievement that signifies your graduation from relying solely on what you find to someone who can make what they need. Personal I consider myself to have entered mid-game once I have assembled a complete blacksmith tool set(now there’s an idea for an item)

Random_dragon · 2015-11-04T02:02:15.000Z

Possibly. I do suspect that adding to the selection of metal usable might be a less objectionable change than makeshift anvils, though.

Logrin · 2015-11-04T05:50:01.000Z

Just a thought…since this is more or less for the innawoods types

Why not just have the rare ‘boulder’ as terrain out in the wild? Players to sculpt it down to a flat surface with sweat and a chisel…or wreck their vehicles ramming into it!

Random_dragon · 2015-11-04T05:54:26.000Z

Oh god that is tempting. XD

Zireael · 2015-11-04T08:04:01.000Z

[quote=“Logrin, post:18, topic:10791”]Just a thought…since this is more or less for the innawoods types

Why not just have the rare ‘boulder’ as terrain out in the wild? Players to sculpt it down to a flat surface with sweat and a chisel…or wreck their vehicles ramming into it![/quote]

That’s a great idea!

Coolthulhu · 2015-11-04T17:17:03.000Z

Logrin:

Why not just have the rare ‘boulder’ as terrain out in the wild? Players to sculpt it down to a flat surface with sweat and a chisel…or wreck their vehicles ramming into it!

Though about boulders. I heard New England has a lot of those. They could also be useful for harvesting lots of rocks.
We don’t have chisels though. Or do we?

vache · 2015-11-04T17:33:52.000Z

We have metalworking chisels. That’s all though.

Theundyingcode · 2015-11-04T23:58:36.000Z

I would so go for having another way to get rocks other than just sporadically picking them up off the ground.

Random_dragon · 2015-11-05T00:00:56.000Z

Tempting, possibly. For now, the anvil tweak at least has been merged. For other ideas though, kinda been burnt out lately, especially after the last massive PR dump.