# Filthy Camouflage

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/filthy-camouflage/16563>\
**Category:** The Drawing Board\
**Created:** [September 11, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/filthy-camouflage/16563 "2018-09-11T16:44:50Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 12\
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**Author:** ![Foqus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/foqus/32/9295_2.png) [@Foqus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Foqus)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/filthy-camouflage/16563/1 "2018-09-11T16:44:50Z")

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Hello all! Would it be possible to make filthy clothss/armor assist in zeds not detecting us while maintaining the moral penalty and maybe an increase in animal tracking?

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**Author:** ![Trigon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/trigon/32/2668_2.png) [@Trigon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Trigon)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/filthy-camouflage/16563/2 "2018-09-11T17:55:15Z")

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That’s interesting. I don’t really know how it would be implemented, but being able to cover up you own stank with filthy zombie rags makes sense.

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**Author:** ![Wayticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wayticus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Wayticus)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/filthy-camouflage/16563/3 "2018-09-11T19:07:11Z")

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It could work like a weak form of zombie pheromones, just can’t be too close, and I have seen them do it in the movies so it must work, would make the squeamish trait more punishing.

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**Author:** ![Fris0uman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/fris0uman/32/8607_2.png) [@Fris0uman](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Fris0uman)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/filthy-camouflage/16563/4 "2018-09-11T19:13:40Z")

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Zombie pheromone (afaik) makes nearby Zs friendly, so what you might be looking for is something closer to the `Weak scent` trait

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**Author:** ![Foqus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/foqus/32/9295_2.png) [@Foqus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Foqus)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/filthy-camouflage/16563/5 "2018-09-11T19:20:51Z")

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You could reduce the tiles at which the zombies see you based on how many pieces of filthy clothes you have on. 😁

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**Author:** ![Foqus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/foqus/32/9295_2.png) [@Foqus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Foqus)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/filthy-camouflage/16563/6 "2018-09-11T19:23:19Z")

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Seem like it would be a decent early game solution and would be fairy balanced due the the morale penalty and infection risk. Also it could be negated the the zombies see you before you put them on. Would definitely be worth is when you’re in the middle of the city with 20 zombies surrounding your building

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**Author:** ![Trigon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/trigon/32/2668_2.png) [@Trigon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Trigon)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/filthy-camouflage/16563/7 "2018-09-11T19:54:31Z")

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I would definitely be willing to tool around in a filthy raincoat though. I feel like the morale penalty would even out and you would be left with a net gain.

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**Author:** ![Foqus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/foqus/32/9295_2.png) [@Foqus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Foqus)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/filthy-camouflage/16563/8 "2018-09-11T20:01:22Z")

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Maybe even make it to where rain would nullify the effect and attacking a zombie makes them aggressive

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**Author:** ![veh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/veh/32/3096_2.png) [@veh](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/veh)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/filthy-camouflage/16563/9 "2018-09-11T20:07:50Z")

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Scent mechanic is already in the game.  
I think wearing filthy stuff should make you easier to detect for wildlife but harder for zeds.

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**Author:** ![Foqus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/foqus/32/9295_2.png) [@Foqus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Foqus)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/filthy-camouflage/16563/10 "2018-09-11T21:04:29Z")

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That’s exactly what I was thinking!

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**Author:** ![veh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/veh/32/3096_2.png) [@veh](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/veh)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 10:37pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/filthy-camouflage/16563/11 "2018-09-11T22:37:45Z")

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then again, there’s filthy pheromone item that can do exactly that

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**Author:** ![Valiant](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/valiant/32/4788_2.png) [@Valiant](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Valiant)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 7:43am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/filthy-camouflage/16563/12 "2018-09-12T07:43:15Z")

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Long ago I tried to implement this mechanic ([https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/20160](https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/20160)). My error was that I did it alongside with other enhancements and bugfixes, while filthy camouflage idea seems to be rather radical game mechanics change. So later I made a new PR with only bugfixes and never returned to this mechanic.

Copypaste from the PR: Sneaky or pacifist characters can use filthy gear to trick monsters in `ZOMBIE` monster group. Wearing filthy clothes makes them to “semi-ignore” the player character. While zombies are far away from player character (but still in their field of view), they actually ignore him, but on small distances zombies will still be acting hostile.

Tested this on several types of zombies. They do actually pursuit player on purpose if they are close enough. That’s why “semi-ignore”.

Tested with debug traits. “Semi-ignore” turns into full ignore with no smell trait. Sound is irrelevant here, because player can stand still.

I didn’t do further with this concept, but it could act as a base for anyone willing to continue.