Farming

[Zero]

Acid rain could make land infertile. Not fertilizing or rotating crops as well. Nuclear rain clouds could force you to dig up the top 6 inches of topsoil every few years. Zombies could get into your water supply and have your well only pump out “tainted water” until you get down there and clean it out if you use well water. Locusts. Dust bowl effects when a horde comes through and kills all the crops by trampling. What else?

[Valpo]

Make the mycus and trifids and other bigger faction act outside the rb . tzhis way you ll have isurgence sooner or later if you stay too long at one spot without countering theire spread.

[Vorchar]

Make the mycus and trifids and other bigger faction act outside the rb . tzhis way you ll have isurgence sooner or later if you stay too long at one spot without countering theire spread.

Fungaloids just would make people not farm at all. Triffids turn farming from easy food to easy food, health and string though, some random mutations could be nice though to mess up with the farming.

I also think that farming yeld should be a lot lower. It is pretty rare for every seed you plant to grow into thriving crop. Farming could use some micromanagement to make less fire and forget type thing. Farming is quite a lot of work if you want to have good harvest, not something you throw out and harvest later.

[Valpo]

of course these faction would have to be made actually dangerous beforehand. but thats true for pretty much every enemy ingame which i opt to change as well in which case my suggestion should work.

[BigD145]

[quote=“Valpo, post:14, topic:9032”]Make the mycus and trifids and other bigger faction act outside the rb . tzhis way you ll have isurgence sooner or later if you stay too long at one spot without countering theire spread.

Fungaloids just would make people not farm at all. Triffids turn farming from easy food to easy food, health and string though, some random mutations could be nice though to mess up with the farming.

I also think that farming yeld should be a lot lower. It is pretty rare for every seed you plant to grow into thriving crop. Farming could use some micromanagement to make less fire and forget type thing. Farming is quite a lot of work if you want to have good harvest, not something you throw out and harvest later.[/quote]

SimFarm:DDA
Now with more goo threat.

[Vorchar]

[quote=“Vorchar, post:15, topic:9032”][quote=“Valpo, post:14, topic:9032”]Make the mycus and trifids and other bigger faction act outside the rb . tzhis way you ll have isurgence sooner or later if you stay too long at one spot without countering theire spread.

Fungaloids just would make people not farm at all. Triffids turn farming from easy food to easy food, health and string though, some random mutations could be nice though to mess up with the farming.

I also think that farming yeld should be a lot lower. It is pretty rare for every seed you plant to grow into thriving crop. Farming could use some micromanagement to make less fire and forget type thing. Farming is quite a lot of work if you want to have good harvest, not something you throw out and harvest later.[/quote]

SimFarm:DDA
Now with more goo threat.[/quote]

Reminds me of old days in DF:Trauma Center (in case people do not get the reference: medical update back in days).

[Miloch]

Hydroponics FTW!

[Sunflash]

its like we have on one hand a bunch of folks who like the idea of base building.

and on the othet hand, a bunch of people who think it shouldn’t be allowed.

[Vorchar]

[quote=“Sunflash, post:20, topic:9032”]its like we have on one hand a bunch of folks who like the idea of base building.

and on the othet hand, a bunch of people who think it shouldn’t be allowed.[/quote]
I’d say that we have a bunch of folk who want game to be hard and on the other hand we have a bunch of people who want the game to be easy and I would be as right as you with my statement.

[Sunflash]

[quote=“Vorchar, post:21, topic:9032”][quote=“Sunflash, post:20, topic:9032”]its like we have on one hand a bunch of folks who like the idea of base building.

and on the othet hand, a bunch of people who think it shouldn’t be allowed.[/quote]
I’d say that we have a bunch of folk who want game to be hard and on the other hand we have a bunch of people who want the game to be easy and I would be as right as you with my statement.[/quote]

all in how you view it i guess. the wonders of people.

[Coolthulhu]

and on the othet hand, a bunch of people who think it shouldn’t be allowed.

No one really says base building shouldn’t be allowed, more like that it shouldn’t boil down to Harvest Moon: The roguelike.

Start in the “sheltered” start, survive for a year and you’ll see what I mean. After a while it becomes extremely repetitive and rather pointless.
You can hunt for meat and farm plants, but what for? You can easily survive on acorns for the next century.
You can build walls and fortifications, but nothing will ever come to get impaled on those. And even if it did, it would be so much weaker than you, you could punch it to death without taking a single scratch.

90% of the game becomes irrelevant, with the 10% that remain mostly differing in names (cooked acorn meal vs meat pizza? it’s not like I’ll use that tiny morale bonus for anything…). When the relevance of choices boils down to the number of clicks to execute the choice, the best choice is that little ‘x’ in the upper right corner of the screen.

Plus, it’s not like anyone is forcing this “extreme farming” with enemies on anyone - if it got too hard, we’d just get a mod that brings back peaceful farming. Removing is easier than adding.

[KA101]

[quote=“Sunflash, post:20, topic:9032”]and on the othet hand, a bunch of people who think it shouldn’t be allowed.

No one really says base building shouldn’t be allowed, more like that it shouldn’t boil down to Harvest Moon: The roguelike.

Start in the “sheltered” start, survive for a year and you’ll see what I mean. After a while it becomes extremely repetitive and rather pointless.
You can hunt for meat and farm plants, but what for? You can easily survive on acorns for the next century.
You can build walls and fortifications, but nothing will ever come to get impaled on those. And even if it did, it would be so much weaker than you, you could punch it to death without taking a single scratch.

90% of the game becomes irrelevant, with the 10% that remain mostly differing in names (cooked acorn meal vs meat pizza? it’s not like I’ll use that tiny morale bonus for anything…). When the relevance of choices boils down to the number of clicks to execute the choice, the best choice is that little ‘x’ in the upper right corner of the screen.

Plus, it’s not like anyone is forcing this “extreme farming” with enemies on anyone - if it got too hard, we’d just get a mod that brings back peaceful farming. Removing is easier than adding.[/quote]

Nope.

DDA is a post-apoc simulator, not a Roguelike. So we cater to everyone. For hardcore Roguelike players, there are quite a few mods that can crank up the difficulty–quite a few thanks to you–and that’s OK. The refugee center buys nonperishable goods specifically so people who want to go Harvest Moon may do so; folks who want to focus on other aspects may also do so.

[Coolthulhu]

[quote=“KA101, post:24, topic:9032”]Nope.

DDA is a post-apoc simulator, not a Roguelike. So we cater to everyone. For hardcore Roguelike players, there are quite a few mods that can crank up the difficulty–quite a few thanks to you–and that’s OK. The refugee center buys nonperishable goods specifically so people who want to go Harvest Moon may do so; folks who want to focus on other aspects may also do so.[/quote]

What’s wrong with having content-removal mods instead of having to put all the difficult stuff in mods?
Going by this logic, tank bots (and all other bots, except police ones) should be moved into a mod. People were complaining about those. Rivet’s PR (remove bots mod) didn’t get merged, though.

Difficulty mods that simply crank up numbers can’t fix things like environment being static. That is a design issue. Hordes (like zombie hordes, except not) of triffids spawning on overmap wouldn’t solve it, but would be a good step.

[KA101]

[quote=“Coolthulhu, post:25, topic:9032”][quote=“KA101, post:24, topic:9032”]Nope.

DDA is a post-apoc simulator, not a Roguelike. So we cater to everyone. For hardcore Roguelike players, there are quite a few mods that can crank up the difficulty–quite a few thanks to you–and that’s OK. The refugee center buys nonperishable goods specifically so people who want to go Harvest Moon may do so; folks who want to focus on other aspects may also do so.[/quote]

What’s wrong with having content-removal mods instead of having to put all the difficult stuff in mods?
Going by this logic, tank bots (and all other bots, except police ones) should be moved into a mod. People were complaining about those. Rivet’s PR (remove bots mod) didn’t get merged, though.

Difficulty mods that simply crank up numbers can’t fix things like environment being static. That is a design issue. Hordes (like zombie hordes, except not) of triffids spawning on overmap wouldn’t solve it, but would be a good step.[/quote]

Because we got a little tired of over half the mod list being “I don’t like X, remove it”, and put those on hold pending a separate content-removal tab so mods that actually add stuff could be properly displayed. Once that goes in, sure, remove X critter mods would go in.

[Coolthulhu]

Because we got a little tired of over half the mod list being “I don’t like X, remove it”, and put those on hold pending a separate content-removal tab so mods that actually add stuff could be properly displayed. Once that goes in, sure, remove X critter mods would go in.

Valid point, though at the moment it contradicts the whole:

So we cater to everyone.

[KA101]

[quote=“KA101, post:26, topic:9032”]Because we got a little tired of over half the mod list being “I don’t like X, remove it”, and put those on hold pending a separate content-removal tab so mods that actually add stuff could be properly displayed. Once that goes in, sure, remove X critter mods would go in.

Valid point, though at the moment it contradicts the whole:

So we cater to everyone.[/quote]

Including ourselves. We don’t enjoy writing/merging mods that remove our own work, so that’s a lesser priority.

[Sunflash]

[quote=“Sunflash, post:20, topic:9032”]and on the othet hand, a bunch of people who think it shouldn’t be allowed.

No one really says base building shouldn’t be allowed, more like that it shouldn’t boil down to Harvest Moon: The roguelike.

Start in the “sheltered” start, survive for a year and you’ll see what I mean. After a while it becomes extremely repetitive and rather pointless.
You can hunt for meat and farm plants, but what for? You can easily survive on acorns for the next century.
You can build walls and fortifications, but nothing will ever come to get impaled on those. And even if it did, it would be so much weaker than you, you could punch it to death without taking a single scratch.

90% of the game becomes irrelevant, with the 10% that remain mostly differing in names (cooked acorn meal vs meat pizza? it’s not like I’ll use that tiny morale bonus for anything…). When the relevance of choices boils down to the number of clicks to execute the choice, the best choice is that little ‘x’ in the upper right corner of the screen.

Plus, it’s not like anyone is forcing this “extreme farming” with enemies on anyone - if it got too hard, we’d just get a mod that brings back peaceful farming. Removing is easier than adding.[/quote]

harvest moon wouldnt be any worse than the euro truck simulator + zombies we have now.

i mean if hordes were fixed to not be a pointlessly grindy borefest, then i would turn them on and have every reason to have a base like i want.
instead they are either horribly broken(three hulks reaking into a noiseless shrlter at start) or jus supremely annoying(all thr posts about grinding through hordes) and therefore everything is pushed towards nomadic play.

so, yeah. cdda/harvest moon would be boring. but thats really not what we I want. I want perma-base building of some level to be a viable playstyle; and decent farming of some system logically(by my mind) plays a large factor. this doesnt mean it should be “lol-never need fear hunger again”; but there should be some benifit to making yourself a theoritxally easy targrt for wandering spawns.

./random. carry on as normal.

[Malaxxor]

[quote=“Sunflash, post:20, topic:9032”]and on the othet hand, a bunch of people who think it shouldn’t be allowed.

No one really says base building shouldn’t be allowed, more like that it shouldn’t boil down to Harvest Moon: The roguelike.

Start in the “sheltered” start, survive for a year and you’ll see what I mean. After a while it becomes extremely repetitive and rather pointless.
You can hunt for meat and farm plants, but what for? You can easily survive on acorns for the next century.
You can build walls and fortifications, but nothing will ever come to get impaled on those. And even if it did, it would be so much weaker than you, you could punch it to death without taking a single scratch.

90% of the game becomes irrelevant, with the 10% that remain mostly differing in names (cooked acorn meal vs meat pizza? it’s not like I’ll use that tiny morale bonus for anything…). When the relevance of choices boils down to the number of clicks to execute the choice, the best choice is that little ‘x’ in the upper right corner of the screen.

Plus, it’s not like anyone is forcing this “extreme farming” with enemies on anyone - if it got too hard, we’d just get a mod that brings back peaceful farming. Removing is easier than adding.[/quote]

This, so much this. I’d really like base-building and staying in one place to be an actual, viable way to play the game (with it’s own up- and downsides). As Coolthulhu pointed out, this is mechanicly possible, but unbelievable boring, especially in the long run. And this, IMHO makes a lot of the features in the game pretty much useless, especially farming and construction.

[Litppunk]

even with hordes on? still nothing? that sucks.

[Kryxx]

[quote=“Valpo, post:14, topic:9032”]Make the mycus and trifids and other bigger faction act outside the rb . tzhis way you ll have isurgence sooner or later if you stay too long at one spot without countering theire spread.

Fungaloids just would make people not farm at all. Triffids turn farming from easy food to easy food, health and string though, some random mutations could be nice though to mess up with the farming.

I also think that farming yeld should be a lot lower. It is pretty rare for every seed you plant to grow into thriving crop. Farming could use some micromanagement to make less fire and forget type thing. Farming is quite a lot of work if you want to have good harvest, not something you throw out and harvest later.[/quote]

Well, the wildlife isn’t eating your crops in DDA. I had a small garden in front of my house a few years ago and at night the rabbits, and raccoon’s would come up to try and get easy food. I solved with a metal fence, and the raccoon issue tying the garden fence my pulsed 2s horse fencing @ night

The fence is high voltage for a small pulse (fills a capacitor and empties every 2s), but it’s low AMP, so it doesn’t penetrate skin unless you really hold onto it. The raccoon’s would attempt to climb and grab and then let go. Also helps I tied into the part with the lower voltage from the end bleed off.