Farming

[Valpo]

Wow in german

Yes it was an accident.
I merely took like 2 syrings and ended up as a cat.
Was aiming for the nightvision xD
and also i noticed the change from too :3 its a nice lil detail xD

[KA101]

[quote=“Valpo, post:7, topic:9032”]Wow in german

Yes it was an accident.
I merely took like 2 syrings and ended up as a cat.
Was aiming for the nightvision xD
and also i noticed the change from too :3 its a nice lil detail xD[/quote]

Rivet’s tweak. She’s not around as much anymore, but still good work.

[HavingPhun]

The problem I find with farming is that I have so much food that it literally takes me 2 in game weeks or so to process everything. I feel as if there should be a powered quern to reduce the time it takes to make and oatmeal and cornmeal, and perhaps a quicker way to can food. Maybe if it is made in a batch it shouldn’t necessarilly take as long as it does since you might just have all the vegetables or fruit in one big pot cooking at once, or there could be a powered machine to speed it up, I don’t have real life experience in these things.

Otherwise, I have quite a bit of canned food. Enough for a few seasons at least. I had enough oatmeal to make a few thousand cookies and have a 5 wooden kegs filled to the brim with various types of alcohol. Also have a hundred blunts.

[jcd]

+1 to powered quern. Crafted from a small electric engine + copper wire + small tank/pot + scrap metal. Reducing grinding time from 1h to 10 mins per item.

Also a quern vehicle rig (maybe integrated to the foodco?)

My problem with farming is that you are staying in the same place.
Nothing much ever happens unless you (as a player) initiate it, so the game gets boring pretty quickly.

We’d need some more things happening in the world without player interaction.
Events like e.g. Visiting faction representatives trying to recruit you, bandits attacking, bandits setting fire to your crops and barn to threaten you, tidal waves of destruction near rivers (don’t ask me how they happen), earthquakes…

[Moddan]

Don’t forget occational attacks of killer tomatoes. The downside of being a progressive farmer.

[Litppunk]

excessive farming should definitely have random and sudden downsides. Bad ideas has touched on this at least once…

[Zero]

Acid rain could make land infertile. Not fertilizing or rotating crops as well. Nuclear rain clouds could force you to dig up the top 6 inches of topsoil every few years. Zombies could get into your water supply and have your well only pump out “tainted water” until you get down there and clean it out if you use well water. Locusts. Dust bowl effects when a horde comes through and kills all the crops by trampling. What else?

[Valpo]

Make the mycus and trifids and other bigger faction act outside the rb . tzhis way you ll have isurgence sooner or later if you stay too long at one spot without countering theire spread.

[Vorchar]

Make the mycus and trifids and other bigger faction act outside the rb . tzhis way you ll have isurgence sooner or later if you stay too long at one spot without countering theire spread.

Fungaloids just would make people not farm at all. Triffids turn farming from easy food to easy food, health and string though, some random mutations could be nice though to mess up with the farming.

I also think that farming yeld should be a lot lower. It is pretty rare for every seed you plant to grow into thriving crop. Farming could use some micromanagement to make less fire and forget type thing. Farming is quite a lot of work if you want to have good harvest, not something you throw out and harvest later.

[Valpo]

of course these faction would have to be made actually dangerous beforehand. but thats true for pretty much every enemy ingame which i opt to change as well in which case my suggestion should work.

[BigD145]

[quote=“Valpo, post:14, topic:9032”]Make the mycus and trifids and other bigger faction act outside the rb . tzhis way you ll have isurgence sooner or later if you stay too long at one spot without countering theire spread.

Fungaloids just would make people not farm at all. Triffids turn farming from easy food to easy food, health and string though, some random mutations could be nice though to mess up with the farming.

I also think that farming yeld should be a lot lower. It is pretty rare for every seed you plant to grow into thriving crop. Farming could use some micromanagement to make less fire and forget type thing. Farming is quite a lot of work if you want to have good harvest, not something you throw out and harvest later.[/quote]

SimFarm:DDA
Now with more goo threat.

[Vorchar]

[quote=“Vorchar, post:15, topic:9032”][quote=“Valpo, post:14, topic:9032”]Make the mycus and trifids and other bigger faction act outside the rb . tzhis way you ll have isurgence sooner or later if you stay too long at one spot without countering theire spread.

Fungaloids just would make people not farm at all. Triffids turn farming from easy food to easy food, health and string though, some random mutations could be nice though to mess up with the farming.

I also think that farming yeld should be a lot lower. It is pretty rare for every seed you plant to grow into thriving crop. Farming could use some micromanagement to make less fire and forget type thing. Farming is quite a lot of work if you want to have good harvest, not something you throw out and harvest later.[/quote]

SimFarm:DDA
Now with more goo threat.[/quote]

Reminds me of old days in DF:Trauma Center (in case people do not get the reference: medical update back in days).

[Miloch]

Hydroponics FTW!

[Sunflash]

its like we have on one hand a bunch of folks who like the idea of base building.

and on the othet hand, a bunch of people who think it shouldn’t be allowed.

[Vorchar]

[quote=“Sunflash, post:20, topic:9032”]its like we have on one hand a bunch of folks who like the idea of base building.

and on the othet hand, a bunch of people who think it shouldn’t be allowed.[/quote]
I’d say that we have a bunch of folk who want game to be hard and on the other hand we have a bunch of people who want the game to be easy and I would be as right as you with my statement.

[Sunflash]

[quote=“Vorchar, post:21, topic:9032”][quote=“Sunflash, post:20, topic:9032”]its like we have on one hand a bunch of folks who like the idea of base building.

and on the othet hand, a bunch of people who think it shouldn’t be allowed.[/quote]
I’d say that we have a bunch of folk who want game to be hard and on the other hand we have a bunch of people who want the game to be easy and I would be as right as you with my statement.[/quote]

all in how you view it i guess. the wonders of people.

[Coolthulhu]

and on the othet hand, a bunch of people who think it shouldn’t be allowed.

No one really says base building shouldn’t be allowed, more like that it shouldn’t boil down to Harvest Moon: The roguelike.

Start in the “sheltered” start, survive for a year and you’ll see what I mean. After a while it becomes extremely repetitive and rather pointless.
You can hunt for meat and farm plants, but what for? You can easily survive on acorns for the next century.
You can build walls and fortifications, but nothing will ever come to get impaled on those. And even if it did, it would be so much weaker than you, you could punch it to death without taking a single scratch.

90% of the game becomes irrelevant, with the 10% that remain mostly differing in names (cooked acorn meal vs meat pizza? it’s not like I’ll use that tiny morale bonus for anything…). When the relevance of choices boils down to the number of clicks to execute the choice, the best choice is that little ‘x’ in the upper right corner of the screen.

Plus, it’s not like anyone is forcing this “extreme farming” with enemies on anyone - if it got too hard, we’d just get a mod that brings back peaceful farming. Removing is easier than adding.

[KA101]

[quote=“Sunflash, post:20, topic:9032”]and on the othet hand, a bunch of people who think it shouldn’t be allowed.

No one really says base building shouldn’t be allowed, more like that it shouldn’t boil down to Harvest Moon: The roguelike.

Start in the “sheltered” start, survive for a year and you’ll see what I mean. After a while it becomes extremely repetitive and rather pointless.
You can hunt for meat and farm plants, but what for? You can easily survive on acorns for the next century.
You can build walls and fortifications, but nothing will ever come to get impaled on those. And even if it did, it would be so much weaker than you, you could punch it to death without taking a single scratch.

90% of the game becomes irrelevant, with the 10% that remain mostly differing in names (cooked acorn meal vs meat pizza? it’s not like I’ll use that tiny morale bonus for anything…). When the relevance of choices boils down to the number of clicks to execute the choice, the best choice is that little ‘x’ in the upper right corner of the screen.

Plus, it’s not like anyone is forcing this “extreme farming” with enemies on anyone - if it got too hard, we’d just get a mod that brings back peaceful farming. Removing is easier than adding.[/quote]

Nope.

DDA is a post-apoc simulator, not a Roguelike. So we cater to everyone. For hardcore Roguelike players, there are quite a few mods that can crank up the difficulty–quite a few thanks to you–and that’s OK. The refugee center buys nonperishable goods specifically so people who want to go Harvest Moon may do so; folks who want to focus on other aspects may also do so.

[Coolthulhu]

[quote=“KA101, post:24, topic:9032”]Nope.

DDA is a post-apoc simulator, not a Roguelike. So we cater to everyone. For hardcore Roguelike players, there are quite a few mods that can crank up the difficulty–quite a few thanks to you–and that’s OK. The refugee center buys nonperishable goods specifically so people who want to go Harvest Moon may do so; folks who want to focus on other aspects may also do so.[/quote]

What’s wrong with having content-removal mods instead of having to put all the difficult stuff in mods?
Going by this logic, tank bots (and all other bots, except police ones) should be moved into a mod. People were complaining about those. Rivet’s PR (remove bots mod) didn’t get merged, though.

Difficulty mods that simply crank up numbers can’t fix things like environment being static. That is a design issue. Hordes (like zombie hordes, except not) of triffids spawning on overmap wouldn’t solve it, but would be a good step.

[KA101]

[quote=“Coolthulhu, post:25, topic:9032”][quote=“KA101, post:24, topic:9032”]Nope.

DDA is a post-apoc simulator, not a Roguelike. So we cater to everyone. For hardcore Roguelike players, there are quite a few mods that can crank up the difficulty–quite a few thanks to you–and that’s OK. The refugee center buys nonperishable goods specifically so people who want to go Harvest Moon may do so; folks who want to focus on other aspects may also do so.[/quote]

What’s wrong with having content-removal mods instead of having to put all the difficult stuff in mods?
Going by this logic, tank bots (and all other bots, except police ones) should be moved into a mod. People were complaining about those. Rivet’s PR (remove bots mod) didn’t get merged, though.

Difficulty mods that simply crank up numbers can’t fix things like environment being static. That is a design issue. Hordes (like zombie hordes, except not) of triffids spawning on overmap wouldn’t solve it, but would be a good step.[/quote]

Because we got a little tired of over half the mod list being “I don’t like X, remove it”, and put those on hold pending a separate content-removal tab so mods that actually add stuff could be properly displayed. Once that goes in, sure, remove X critter mods would go in.