Explosions. Full remake

wad67 · 2013-12-15T05:35:22.000Z

I would absolutely love to see this within the game, especially crafting.

FunsizeNinja123 · 2013-12-15T05:36:30.000Z

Grenade mods.

fishy1234555 · 2013-12-15T09:58:44.000Z

Really strong concussive blasts can rip your lungs up out of your mouth as the shockwave sucks away all the air.

EditorRUS · 2013-12-15T10:37:05.000Z

Some of the articles were placed incorrect, but i hope you understand the meaning.

Inadequate · 2013-12-15T10:41:48.000Z

I don’t know if the engine is powerful enough to handle all of that. I’m pretty sure with all of those implemented properly, blowing up a gas station would crash the game.

EkarusRyndren · 2013-12-15T10:46:36.000Z

To the first half of your idea, do we really need an expanded explosives system to suck up CPU cycles every time an explosion goes off?

To the second half, we don’t need Anarchist Cookbook addition.

EditorRUS · 2013-12-15T12:13:28.000Z

To the first half of your idea, do we really need an expanded explosives system to suck up CPU cycles every time an explosion goes off?

To suck up so many CPU cycles we need extremaly big explosion like one made by missile silo. Otherwise the system will make explosives more useful and dangerous both for zombies and player. Digging many pits with explosive! Or even more - burn a house, place a bomb in center of the house, explode near gas station and it attracts many zombies to the street, the bomb ticks off, nails is thrown and spread over all street, kills many zombies... there'll be new tactics, new ways to die... die stupidly.

About chemistry. The compound reagents it’s just beginning of new advanced chemistry system which pretended to be more interesting than now. Unknown substances and some… “playing” with them. I don’t think if you get a bottle with some liquid you’ll immediately know what’s that liquid unless it’s written on the bottle or it’s become known after you tried to mix that with some known reagents. Something like that.
You have a bottle of sulphuric acid (H2SO4), and a bottle with unknown liquid (it’s lye powder, KOH)
And you tried to mix them, so: H2SO4 + 2KOH => H2O + K2SO4, and player gets message: “Nothing happened”.
But if the player tries to heat up the mix he will get message: “It gives white powder”

I don’t think you need to hear that it will make chemistry more changelling and interesting.

Inadequate · 2013-12-15T12:19:08.000Z

Please, leave ‘realistic’ chemistry out of this. We don’t need so many crunchy bits to make stuff that blows up.

EditorRUS · 2013-12-15T12:22:49.000Z

SS13? You meant potassium + water? Of course.

Inadequate · 2013-12-15T12:29:34.000Z

Edited for clarity. This is an unfathomably bad idea.

system · 2013-12-15T13:23:27.000Z

standing behind walls, vehicles, furniture should affect the spread of the different zones somehow. So that it’s not perfectly circular but more dynamic depending on the surroundings.

infectedmochi · 2013-12-15T13:33:51.000Z

That would be harder to simulate though. One possible way is to assign “movecost” to terrains and objects. For example a flat land could have movecost=1 while a table could have movecost=2, so an explosion with power of 10 would spread 10 titles on flatland and 5 titles on tables - being slowed down just like the character. Just a hypothesis of course, I’m not a coder.

Inadequate · 2013-12-15T13:37:23.000Z

Stuff already has a movecost, though, so that part wouldn’t be an issue, aside from the entire thing being a colossally terrible idea.

fishy1234555 · 2013-12-15T19:38:32.000Z

I think the “death zone” created by an explosions could use a little help and im all for making explosions louder and having ear plugs to muffle too much noise. And on that note explosions are incredibly loud, so if anything make that a thing. Nothing says gamey like surviving a nuke on the adjacent tile to the edge of the explosions… No one else agrees that its silly??

Ander_Hammer · 2013-12-17T05:06:06.000Z

Inadequate:

Please, leave ‘realistic’ chemistry out of this. We don’t need so many crunchy bits to make stuff that blows up.

Agreed.

Inadequate:

Edited for clarity. This is an unfathomably bad idea.

Whoa, hold on, cowboy…

Inadequate:

aside from the entire thing being a colossally terrible idea.

You had such a great start!

Explosions could probably use some spicing up. Something like the recently-added lightning flashes lighting up your surroundings could be an explosion effect. Some things could probably stand to be more excitingly dangerous, and explosives could stand to be more fun and satisfying to employ.

We don’t get to this point by saying ‘bad idea’ without a single word of explanation.

Inadequate · 2013-12-17T05:08:47.000Z

I’ve already explained the reasoning behind my opinions in my earlier post. If the OP can’t even see those as negatives, I feel like I have to get across that point first before I can further explain my position.

Ander_Hammer · 2013-12-17T05:46:14.000Z

Which part was your explanation? That we didn’t need complex chemistry, which is only tangentially related to changing how explosives work? Or claiming that when implemented properly, blowing up a gas station would somehow crash the game? I don’t think anything that’s implemented ‘properly’ stands much of a chance of crashing things.

i2amroy · 2013-12-20T22:51:21.000Z

I do agree that we need to improve explosions at some point (case in point, land mines don’t really do enough damage because right now damage is directly proportional to explosion size), and there are definitely some good ideas here.

EkarusRyndren:

To the first half of your idea, do we really need an expanded explosives system to suck up CPU cycles every time an explosion goes off?

Seeing how rare explosions are for the most part, I think we’ll probably be fine having a slightly more realistic system in place, even if it does take more cycles.

And yeah, at the moment it would be kinda difficult to adjust explosion sizes due to terrain, but one step in getting a working stealth system will be to hopefully add something that lets us know how tall various bits of terrain/furniture are. once that goes in, it becomes much much easier to do dynamically sized explosions realistically.

kilozombie · 2013-12-21T19:32:43.000Z

Inadequate:

Stuff already has a movecost, though, so that part wouldn’t be an issue, aside from the entire thing being a colossally terrible idea.

Your 1-sentence posts aren’t quite clarifying your reasoning for this. Maybe you should try explaining in a better manner?

Teddy_Salad · 2014-01-09T18:18:19.000Z

If a full remake as originally proposed is going to suck up too many CPU cycles, why not settle for a couple of tweaks?
1 - Greatly increased noise. Explosions should be horribly loud, and using a grenade in the middle of a city should be as risky a decision as blasting away at stuff with a shotgun.
2 - A “blast radius” and a “concussion radius”. A zone that actually deals damage, with an outer zone that only stuns. Perhaps a standard grenade has a flashbang “embedded” in it. That is to say, a grenade will have the stunning effect of the flashbang, but with the 3x3 blast at the center. This would make it so that even enemies not hit by any shrapnel aren’t totally unfazed by a grenade exploding a few meters away.

Side note - I’m all for more craftable explosives (beyond pipe bomb, grenade, mininuke), but leave the chemistry out of it.