Explanation for charge rifle/plasma rifle

Valpo · 2014-12-10T14:07:57.000Z

Explain how that relates to those weapons?

Shown is a weapon hat guides a bolt of lightning through the plasma trail left by a powerfull laser.

By reference i mean a reference :O. Theres no reference to the workings of a plasma or charged rifle whatsoever. If i missed it pls explain.

system · 2014-12-10T14:32:36.000Z

Lighting = plasma.

It’s a way how the charged rifle and plasma gun could work if they were real. I don’t see how one could not see the correlation between the article’s prototype and our science fiction guns .

system · 2014-12-10T14:39:17.000Z

Oh and chain lightning would probably work this way, too.

Valpo · 2014-12-10T14:40:18.000Z

The primary dmg of that weapon is its electricity. A lightning may produce plasma due to heating the surrounding air. Lightning = electricity (that may produce super heated air and such). Its not a plasma weapon as in using the plasma as damage source. The plasma guides the electricity in this case.

So you wouldn t differentiate between a electric weapon and a plasma weapon? Meaning our shocker zs are throwing plasma?

Rookie:

Oh and chain lightning would probably work this way, too.

That makes sense for a change.

system · 2014-12-10T14:53:22.000Z

Nope. A lightning is indeed plasma. Lightning isn’t just electricity rather a visible result of it. And since the carge rilfe can be aimed, the laser guidance can be a possible explanation. The lightning/plasma is a bright visualisation of the process. The channel created by the laser has lower resistance than the air around and “guides” the electricity that, to use your words: does the primary dmg, to the target.

The plasma rifles use hydrogen I just noticed so probably I was wrong with those. But only because they use another manifestation of plasma.

Valpo · 2014-12-10T15:06:30.000Z

Okay so your saying a lightningbolt is a manifestation of plasma. As in a lot of electrons forming something like a cloud? Well its still following the laws of electricity like they follow the path of least resistence to earth.The plasma weapon essentially fires a bullet like mass of plasma so it doesn t apear like a lightning bolt. And how does it relate to the charged rifle then?

The essense of what i was saying is:

This report you linked doesn t explain how the ingame weapons work at all. Do you disagree on that?

system · 2014-12-10T15:15:55.000Z

en.m.wikipedia.org

Electrolaser

An electrolaser is a type of electroshock weapon that is also a directed-energy weapon. It uses lasers to form an electrically conductive laser-induced plasma channel (LIPC). A fraction of a second later, a powerful electric current is sent down this plasma channel and delivered to the target, thus functioning overall as a large-scale, high energy, long-distance version of the Taser electroshock gun. Alternating current is sent through a series of step-up transformers, increasing the voltage and ...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics) see “common plasmas” and scroll down to the table.

Better seen here under “Vorkommen” http://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(Physik)

(I suppose to remember that you’re german so yeah)

Too difficult to type it all out with only my phone so please see the sources. Everyone interested will understand.

The hydrogen plasma rifle works different. I already posted above. But there’s no better explanation for the NX charge rifle so far so yeah, disagreed there.

Valpo · 2014-12-10T15:19:48.000Z

I read the whole thing shortly after we started this discussion. I concede on the lightning beeing plasma part. You are right there.

Flare · 2014-12-10T16:16:04.000Z

Lasers of sufficient intensity can also cause an explosion of sorts at the point of impact, simply by heating it up so much and so fast that it can’t do anything else but “explode”. It kinda goes against the depiction of laser weapons cauterizing wounds, it’d probably be like a powerful firecracker going off, and said firecracker is part of the target itself.

Valpo · 2014-12-10T16:18:08.000Z

Flare:

Lasers of sufficient intensity can also cause an explosion of sorts at the point of impact, simply by heating it up so much and so fast that it can’t do anything else but “explode”. It kinda goes against the depiction of laser weapons cauterizing wounds, it’d probably be like a powerful firecracker going off, and said firecracker is part of the target itself.

I read something about the us trying to utilize this as sort of a “stun” non leathal weapon.

system · 2014-12-10T16:23:29.000Z

Flare:

Lasers of sufficient intensity can also cause an explosion of sorts at the point of impact, simply by heating it up so much and so fast that it can’t do anything else but “explode”. It kinda goes against the depiction of laser weapons cauterizing wounds, it’d probably be like a powerful firecracker going off, and said firecracker is part of the target itself.

interesting… does the receiving material have an effect on that? Like is there a different reaction between wood/plastic/iron/human skin?

I think the “common” laser weapons just lack intensity to make the target explode but simply heat the target up. There’s a german electronics fanatic on youtube who builds (and sells) laser and coil guns. His lasers even carve letters into wood and make balloons pop.

Muaddib · 2014-12-10T16:26:07.000Z

Flare:

Lasers of sufficient intensity can also cause an explosion of sorts at the point of impact, simply by heating it up so much and so fast that it can’t do anything else but “explode”. It kinda goes against the depiction of laser weapons cauterizing wounds, it’d probably be like a powerful firecracker going off, and said firecracker is part of the target itself.

Technically it’s that lasers of insufficient intensity cause explosions. You shoot laser at a human. The laser heats up the water in the skin of the human. The water becomes gaseous inside the human’s flesh. The gas must escape. BOOOOM! The human has a fist sized hole in his stomach.
Lasers of sufficient intensity will just burn through a human, and his friend behind him. And his friend behind him. And the wall. And the dog behind the wall. And the tree behind the wall and the dog.

Also, as far as I know, “realistic” plasma weapons would basically be high-tech flamethrowers. The kind of flamethrower you use to burn an heavily armoured tank. Think of meltaguns in Warhammer 40,000. Plasma is really hard to guide/contain, and if you find a way to guide/contain it, you’re probably better off using that power on a laser or railgun.

Valpo · 2014-12-10T16:32:54.000Z

[quote=“Rookie, post:14, topic:8251”]interesting… does the receiving material have an effect on that? Like is there a different reaction between wood/plastic/iron/human skin?

I think the “common” laser weapons just lack intensity to make the target explode but simply heat the target up. There’s a german electronics fanatic on youtube who builds (and sells) laser and coil guns. His lasers even carve letters into wood and make balloons pop.[/quote]

I have seen concentrated light burn through thick steel in seconds.Still not strong enough to make it explode. So I asume it needs a rather Powerfull pulse for an explosion.

Muaddib:

Also, as far as I know, “realistic” plasma weapons would basically be high-tech flamethrowers. The kind of flamethrower you use to burn an heavily armoured tank. Think of meltaguns in Warhammer 40,000. Plasma is really hard to guide/contain, and if you find a way to guide/contain it, you’re probably better off using that power on a laser or railgun.

Thats closer to the games depictions yes.

Muaddib · 2014-12-10T16:37:40.000Z

Only organic material with lots of water in it can explode. Well, I imagine that any material with a liquid in it similar to water would explode when fired upon it with a laser.

Valpo · 2014-12-10T16:41:24.000Z

Muaddib:

Only organic material with lots of water in it can explode. Well, I imagine that any material with a liquid in it similar to water would explode when fired upon it with a laser.

Your wrong .
Everything sufficiently heated over a short ammount of time will explode. Be it gas liquid or a solid object. Or are you saying Objects with liquid in them are the current limit for our up to date lasers?

Muaddib · 2014-12-10T16:50:15.000Z

As far as I know, the explosions caused by lasers isn’t because heating something causes an explosion, it’s because the heating causes gasses to form inside the object being heated. Gasses are bigger than liquids and solids, so the object being heated explodes.

That’s how it was explained to me at least. I don’t see how shooting a laser at a sheet of steel is going to make it explode. It’s steel. Unless there’s something in there that can violently expand as a gas, I don’t see how it can explode.

Valpo · 2014-12-10T16:52:04.000Z

[quote=“Muaddib, post:19, topic:8251”]As far as I know, the explosions caused by lasers isn’t because heating something causes an explosion, it’s because the heating causes gasses to form inside the object being heated. Gasses are bigger than liquids and solids, so the object being heated explodes.

That’s how it was explained to me at least. I don’t see how shooting a laser at a sheet of steel is going to make it explode. It’s steel. Unless there’s something in there that can violently expand as a gas, I don’t see how it can explode.[/quote]

Thats the point. If you heat steel enough it will change from solid to gas and violently explode. Steel gas

Muaddib · 2014-12-10T16:53:28.000Z

I’d love a laser capable of cooking steel into gas, but somehow I think it might be a bit OP…

TheFlame52 · 2014-12-10T16:54:08.000Z

Valpo:

Thats the point. If you heat steel enough it will change from solid to gas and violently explode. Steel gas

It won’t explode because if you vaporized it, the gas would be able to escape. The steel would vaporize from the outside in, preventing the buildup of pressure. In a human, the water would vaporize before the rest of the tissue, causing pressure to build up and the person to explode.

Flare · 2014-12-10T16:55:04.000Z

Are you think about this? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

They’re probably not a good idea to use on crowds, because not all body parts are as resilient as skin to microwave damage. Like the rods and cones in eyeballs.

If not, I do not see how this process would “stun” a person without obliterating or grievously wounding them. The large gapping holes these weapons inflict on people are not going to be cauterized. The explosion is just an immensely rapid and violent version of matter trying to redistribute/react to heat energy like a nuclear explosion. Its holes are ripped apart more so than it is through vaporization (which would require an insane amount of energy).

Muaddib:

[quote=“Flare, post:12, topic:8251”]Lasers of sufficient intensity can also cause an explosion of sorts at the point of impact, simply by heating it up so much and so fast that it can’t do anything else but “explode”. It kinda goes against the depiction of laser weapons cauterizing wounds, it’d probably be like a powerful firecracker going off, and said firecracker is part of the target itself.

Technically it’s that lasers of insufficient intensity cause explosions. You shoot laser at a human. The laser heats up the water in the skin of the human. The water becomes gaseous inside the human’s flesh. The gas must escape. BOOOOM! The human has a fist sized hole in his stomach.
Lasers of sufficient intensity will just burn through a human, and his friend behind him. And his friend behind him. And the wall. And the dog behind the wall. And the tree behind the wall and the dog.[/quote]

Yeah, I think we’re reading stuff that’s near each other :D. I’ve always wondered if this can be achieve with any substance, and not just water if you pump enough energy fast enough.

Don’t think you’re going to get lasers that can cut through stuff through vaporization though without making the emitter a giant bomb.