Engine that runs on CLEAN water?

[EditorRUS]

The law of energy conservation breaking ITT

[The_Lone_Badger]

Perpetum engine: produces power, consumes only sanity.

Not a bad idea actually. Artifact ‘engines’ that do not require fuel but do standard artifact Bad Things.

[Muaddib]

What about a battery of some sort that runs off the eldritch somethings in the nether?

When it runs out, you have to plunk it down near a portal, fight off the hordes and wait until it’s fully recharged.

[Hardluck]

Perpetum engine: produces power, consumes only sanity.

“It’s fueled by the tears of physicists.”

[Blaze]

[quote=“Coolthulhu, post:10, topic:8561”]Perpetum engine: produces power, consumes only sanity.

“It’s fueled by the tears of physicists.”[/quote]
“Harness the power of the infinite number of physicists in alternate universes that are spinning in their graves!”

[EkarusRyndren]

Why not an engine that runs off Paper, or chewing gum-- Oh how about Aspirin? Or maybe fungicide?

I mean as long as we’re throwing random shit out there that’s less abundant than gasoline in CDDA.

[Coolthulhu]

Physicists spinning in their graves is something that could actually happen in DDA.

[CosmicKobal]

The concept of water as a fuel source has existed for decades at least. My lack of knowledge in anything beyond basic physics doesn’t change that, therefore, I figured that there had to be SOME merit to the idea. As for using chewing gum instead?.. come on man, that’s just a waste of good chewing gum…

[CosmicKobal]

On that note though, what about a wood gasifier for fuel? you could even plop one down on a vehicle tile with a small engine, a storage battery, a floodlight, etc and be able to keep your creation inside and away from pesky creatures that would destroy it. it would vent fumes/exhaust the same as the stone fireplace/woodstove do

[Darkfirephoenix]

So i’m back and have slept now.

I KNOW that the the process of hydrogen making won’t give you more power out than you put in, I just wanted a way for turning the electrical power (which could directly used for rather weak engines compared to combustion ones) into some kind of gas like fuel and using it.

I still think that a hydrogen engine would be doable and valid but ofc the process of hydrogen making would take good amounts of power and is only good for storing the energy in some other kind of way. But using hydrogen fuel would allow us to get engines that operate on combustion level. (also the hydrogen could serve as ammunition for some weapons)

That said: There are now portals to other planes, in which some other materials exist (or artifacts). Why not use them? Some kind of artifact/material that constantly spits out electricity could be used for making hydrogen (and the researchers would all over it because of that. So only found deep in a lab in a secure vault or so).

To my point for the Hydrogen engine: I’m sure that the main reason for this topic is to have a way for making your own fuel (besides using solar and/or muscle power).
So why not give us the ability to make our own fuel? I mean there are many ways of doing that:

1. Liquified coal gas: You CAN make a fuel similar to gasoline from char/coal (some european contries used it in times of fuel shortages and it’s a pretty old tech, but not very used because using oil directly is easier). It would require some chems and a PLACEABLE machine (similar to a kiln)

2. ETHANOL: We can make our own alcoholic drinks with still and all, so giving us the ability to make alcohol that can be used in a engine isn’t that far off. It would require the same materials as making “normal” alcohol (sugar, water etc.) but mainly TIME and some bigger kind of still (it could run automatically without you needing you to control it) and you make it for DRIVING not for DRINKING so it wouldn’t take some “taste enhancing” materials (you could also make already existing beverages into fuel).

Ofc a Ethanol engine could be build (in RL there are garages which modify normal combustion engines into ethanol engines without changing much) or found (those would be rare and just some kind of “calming” thing towards other nations:
“Yeah, yeah nature problems and stuff. Look we have cars/engines running on ethanol, clean and all. SO QUIT YOUR WHINING AND F… OFF!”

[iceball3]

[quote=“CosmicKobal, post:18, topic:8561”]The concept of water as a fuel source has existed for decades at least. My lack of knowledge in anything beyond basic physics doesn’t change that, therefore, I figured that there had to be SOME merit to the idea. As for using chewing gum instead?.. come on man, that’s just a waste of good chewing gum…[/quote]Hah! Just because the idea has been around for a while doesn’t mean it’s right!
Your argument would be the same applied to fraking freaking cold fusion (believed abd looked for for a few years, ultimately disproven) and the philosopher’s stone (a fantasy item desired by alchemists)
The fact of the matter is that your lack of physics knowledge makes you blind to the fact that water as a fuel source is not viable in the manner your propose. Check other statements in the thread.

[Muaddib]

Bit off-topic, but I imagine that given sufficient time, you can end up miniturizing fusion technology to such an degree it for all intents and purposes functions as cold fusion.

Just not for the unlucky sod that decides to pry one open when it’s operational of course.

[CosmicKobal]

[quote=“iceball3, post:21, topic:8561”][quote=“CosmicKobal, post:18, topic:8561”]The concept of water as a fuel source has existed for decades at least. My lack of knowledge in anything beyond basic physics doesn’t change that, therefore, I figured that there had to be SOME merit to the idea. As for using chewing gum instead?.. come on man, that’s just a waste of good chewing gum…[/quote]Hah! Just because the idea has been around for a while doesn’t mean it’s right!
Your argument would be the same applied to fraking freaking cold fusion (believed abd looked for for a few years, ultimately disproven) and the philosopher’s stone (a fantasy item desired by alchemists)
The fact of the matter is that your lack of physics knowledge makes you blind to the fact that water as a fuel source is not viable in the manner your propose.[/quote]

I was merely stating that the idea has been around for SOOOO long, and we’re talking about a game set in the future. I come back to the earlier point about chicken walkers and rayguns. I’m not trying to argue in favor of it. just trying to point out that nothing is impossible if approached from the correct angle.

For a while, everyone KNEW that the earth was flat, then they KNEW that the earth was the center of the universe. As soon as someone starts stating that ‘so and so’ is ABSOLUTELY not possible, they become like the rest of the sheeple.

When research into cloning first started it was predicted to be centuries before it would be anything beyond science-fiction. less than half a century later if I remember right, and we had the clone sheep Dolly I believe her name was?

Anything is possible.

[Darkfirephoenix]

Anything is possible.

Especially that there are now connections to other planes of existance that have totaly different laws of physics etc.

[iceball3]

[quote=“CosmicKobal, post:23, topic:8561”]Anything is possible.

Especially that there are now connections to other planes of existance that have totaly different laws of physics etc. :D[/quote]The thing is that the game is supposed to behave in an internally consistent manner. The sci-fi aspect hinges on this.
Building a perpetual motion machine is only viable using esoteric or otherwise components (mutation caused by The Blob, teleporters using materials that fell through an interdimensional tear, etc).
A perpetual motion machine (which is exactly what your clean water device is chalked up to being) is impossible in any mundane approach, and thus would not be commonplace pre-cataclysm era.
I would like to elaborate that the robotics ingame is not particularly far from our current ability in real life, and just as well laser weapons do also exist.
If “anything is possible” then you might as well craft a device that kills all zombies in the world instantly using only rocks and sand. Would that add anything to gameplay or be internally consistent? Of course not.

[mdtexeira]

Ultimately, OP, you’re asking for a way to turn electrical energy into fuel for a vehicle…which we have. You can run an electric car. Using that electricity to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen and then blowing that up is just so much less efficient than directly powering the gears and axles of the vehicles with an electrical motor that, while you certainly CAN do it, you wouldn’t.

So rather than providing us with arguments as to why it is possible…show us why it is desirable? Consider of course that in your scenario you also have to drive around with two extremely reactive compounds stored in tanks, instead of stable and non-explosive storage batteries. By all means, add it…but if someone does, make it so the slightest damage to either the oxygen or hydrogen tanks results in a huge explosion. That could be fun. I could build small vehicles front loaded with hydrogen tanks and send them careening into hordes. That would be a more sensible use of the technology you are suggesting.

[iceball3]

Electrolysis can have uses, yeah. Hydrogen-oxygen IEDs anyone?

[Synthetic]

If we’re going to have hydrogen fueled cars, it should involve a long, energy intensive, process of creating fuel cells. It shouldn’t be “just add water.” Even then, is a survivor reasonably going to be able to craft that at all in the first place?

I think bio-fuels is a much better option for renewable gasoline. I’d love to see that included.

[Valpo]

Hm fuel cells have been brought up before.
Theyd be what you need to power the ingame weaponry.
About producing these:

I first thought that might be doable for a survivor … however the lack of abillity to pressurize hydrogen to the point where one could then liquify it pretty much makes hydrogen fuell cells uncraftable or the pc.

• I dunno wherein you would store liquid hydrogen. Probably not within anything the player could build… therefor the hydrogen tanks we build on cars which we then fill with fuel cells are pretty unrealistic imo.

I am not against implementing something that is possible. Like perhaps using hydrogen in low pressured state.
But that seem rather unefficient and therefor i question the need to implement it… (I want the devs to focus on other stuff :S)

[kevin.granade]

[quote=“Coolthulhu, post:10, topic:8561”]Perpetum engine: produces power, consumes only sanity.

Not a bad idea actually. Artifact ‘engines’ that do not require fuel but do standard artifact Bad Things.[/quote]
I’m surprisingly not opposed to this. Thanks for rescuing an otherwise pointless thread

Physicists spinning in their graves is something that could actually happen in DDA.

You win, I laughed so hard at this.