# Enemies below ground visible? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Garage\ **Created:** [May 27, 2017, 9:58am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/enemies-below-ground-visible/13797 "2017-05-27T09:58:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1

**Author:** ![TooDAMNMuch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@TooDAMNMuch](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TooDAMNMuch)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 9:58am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/enemies-below-ground-visible/13797/1 "2017-05-27T09:58:14Z")

this is an old one but a good one, managed to spot a seweranha which i assume must have been underground while i was in a house and my NPC companion seemed to be trying to kill a smoker zombie i’ve still never figured out if it existed or not (i’m guessing it was in a basement though), this has been a problem for quite a long time now, probably almost a year. ---

**Author:** ![TooDAMNMuch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@TooDAMNMuch](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TooDAMNMuch)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 10:04am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/enemies-below-ground-visible/13797/2 "2017-05-27T10:04:32Z")

version(s) affected: i’ve seen this problem happen since the C stable release all the way up to the current experimental builds from just hours ago SDL OS: win 10, 64 bit ---

**Author:** ![Lesseps](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/lesseps/32/442_2.png) [@Lesseps](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Lesseps)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 11:28am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/enemies-below-ground-visible/13797/3 "2017-05-27T11:28:24Z")

I’ve never seen this before. Are you playing with Z-levels on? ---

**Author:** ![TooDAMNMuch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@TooDAMNMuch](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TooDAMNMuch)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 1:00pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/enemies-below-ground-visible/13797/4 "2017-05-27T13:00:00Z")

how do i check what mods are enabled for a specific world/save? i’m pretty sure i wasn’t, but i may have enabled it actually. ---

**Author:** ![NuG](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/nug/32/7057_2.png) [@NuG](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/NuG)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 1:52pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/enemies-below-ground-visible/13797/5 "2017-05-28T13:52:42Z")

It’s in the options under current world settings, I believe, rather than a mod. There is/was an option for Experimental 3D vision, while having this option on, as well. I had this problem when I enabled that, but not with just Z-Levels and the experimental vision off. Though I don’t have many hours in the game yet, so maybe it still happens with it off. I think the 3D vision states that it might be buggy, so I turned it off for now. ---

**Author:** ![Taberone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/taberone/32/515_2.png) [@Taberone](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Taberone)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 4:04pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/enemies-below-ground-visible/13797/6 "2017-05-28T16:04:27Z")

Sounds like your NPCs are trying to shoot something through a roof or ceiling. [3D Vision + Z-Levels will make NPCs shoot at enemies above/below them regardless of visibility.](https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/20785) ---

**Author:** ![TooDAMNMuch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@TooDAMNMuch](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TooDAMNMuch)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/enemies-below-ground-visible/13797/7 "2017-05-28T18:36:33Z")

ah ok, i do have z-levels on then. that should be fine to turn off while still using the world? i’m pretty sure i didn’t enable the tall buildings mod. ---

**Author:** ![Lesseps](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/lesseps/32/442_2.png) [@Lesseps](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Lesseps)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 9:30am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/enemies-below-ground-visible/13797/8 "2017-05-29T09:30:56Z")

Don’t take my opinion for truth here, but I believe you will have to generate a new world to do that. You will be able to manually transfer your character and his/her belongings (equipped only) to the new world though in case you value your current survivor. ---

**Author:** ![Taberone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/taberone/32/515_2.png) [@Taberone](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Taberone)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/enemies-below-ground-visible/13797/9 "2017-05-29T15:22:30Z")

[quote=“TooDAMNMuch, post:7, topic:13797”]ah ok, i do have z-levels on then. that should be fine to turn off while still using the world? i’m pretty sure i didn’t enable the tall buildings mod.[/quote] NPCs are fine with just regular Z-Levels, but don’t turn on 3D Vision if you’re planning to play with NPCs. ---

**Author:** ![NuG](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/nug/32/7057_2.png) [@NuG](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/NuG)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/enemies-below-ground-visible/13797/10 "2017-05-30T15:04:08Z")

[quote=“Taberone, post:9, topic:13797”][quote=“TooDAMNMuch, post:7, topic:13797”]ah ok, i do have z-levels on then. that should be fine to turn off while still using the world? i’m pretty sure i didn’t enable the tall buildings mod.[/quote] NPCs are fine with just regular Z-Levels, but don’t turn on 3D Vision if you’re planning to play with NPCs.[/quote] I thought I saw Chezzo say you could turn Z-Levels on and off in-game, and have enemies follow you up and down stairs by doing so. [https://www.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/6abjs3/few\_questions\_about\_recent\_stuff/dhgta92/](https://www.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/6abjs3/few_questions_about_recent_stuff/dhgta92/) Not sure about the 3d Vision though, which is what is causing your problem.