Early game water boiling

[Cat09]

any water container really should be usable… with potential damage depending on material type, perhaps optional melting / ignition / etc tags. then the container could simply have the clean water IN it.
of course, I’m not sure if the recipe system supports things enough for that, it seems to need a bit more versatility.

[secretfire]

Also, one thing to note, at least in PA - we have along the highways public springs. Most people have forgotten about them, but they are still there, though mostly on the older highways as the new ones don’t have them. Generally speaking, they connect to underground aquifers. The water is untreated, par se, but completely safe to drink. (where do you think mineral water comes from?) If you upped the difficulty to boiling water in the early game… well, I wouldn’t make public springs too common, as no doubt by 2040 or whenever the game takes place, they’ll be significantly less common, but there should be water supplies in the rural areas that don’t need boiling. Springs, public springs, wells, and so forth. And even if you don’t do that, its not terribly hard to loot a hotplate.

[Alpha]

Also, one thing to note, at least in PA - we have along the highways public springs. Most people have forgotten about them, but they are still there, though mostly on the older highways as the new ones don’t have them. Generally speaking, they connect to underground aquifers. The water is untreated, par se, but completely safe to drink. (where do you think mineral water comes from?) If you upped the difficulty to boiling water in the early game… well, I wouldn’t make public springs too common, as no doubt by 2040 or whenever the game takes place, they’ll be significantly less common, but there should be water supplies in the rural areas that don’t need boiling. Springs, public springs, wells, and so forth. And even if you don’t do that, its not terribly hard to loot a hotplate.

I remember years ago parking on the side of the road and heading out the the public springs not to far off, usually a small sign saying (Public springs here>) with a little path headed straight to it, you’d think during times when its difficult to get clean water people would return to these natural springs quite often, probably even begin killing each other around them or building small settlements nearby.
It would be pretty cool to see these in game on a somewhat rare scale.

[HeadWar]

As for not having a suitable container for the end result, how about letting you eat/drink straight from the pot as you finish cooking?

“You don’t have an empty container. Continue anyway, and consume immediately? (y/n)”

[EditorRUS]

Strange. I never used a stone pot to boil water.

BOIL GODDAMN WATER IN YOUR MOUTH WITH A SOLDERING IRON OR HOTPLATE! LIKE A TRUE MEN!
[video]www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IuZzPDHm_5k&t=3m5s[/video]

[FunsizeNinja123]

[quote=“HeadWar, post:11, topic:5762”]As for not having a suitable container for the end result, how about letting you eat/drink straight from the pot as you finish cooking?

“You don’t have an empty container. Continue anyway, and consume immediately? (y/n)”[/quote]

“You burn your lips on the hot container”

[HeadWar]

[quote=“FunsizeNinja123, post:13, topic:5762”][quote=“HeadWar, post:11, topic:5762”]As for not having a suitable container for the end result, how about letting you eat/drink straight from the pot as you finish cooking?

“You don’t have an empty container. Continue anyway, and consume immediately? (y/n)”[/quote]

“You burn your lips on the hot container”[/quote]

“It’s very hot. Wait for a bit and let it cool down? (y/n)”

Nothing is too trivial to micromanage.

[elauminx]

One word… Pottery!

water -> river -> clay -> …,
eai

[Duncan]

[quote=“elauminx, post:15, topic:5762”]One word… Pottery!

water -> river -> clay -> …,
eai[/quote]

I am embarrassed that wasn’t in the original suggestion, think it is edit time.

[kevin.granade]

The stone pot is stupid. You can’t make a water boiling utensil out of three rocks. NO

I don’t know what we were thinking!
Oh wait, probably this: https://www.google.com/search?q=stone+pot&tbm=isch

[i2amroy]

Funnily enough lots of stone pot making videos I see online suggest using 3 or more rocks, 1 for the pot, 1 for large chipping, and 1 for smoothing the finished project.

[Deadman]

[quote=“Duncan, post:1, topic:5762”]The stone pot is stupid. You can’t make a water boiling utensil out of three rocks. NO

I don’t know what we were thinking!
Oh wait, probably this: https://www.google.com/search?q=stone+pot&tbm=isch[/quote]

I was gonna say, hand-carved (well, hand chiseled) stone pots have been used by the Native Americans to cook for hundreds of years.
Having actually made (and used) one myself when I really only had a vague idea of what I was supposed to be doing (I’m certain that the guy who did know was silently laughing at my pitiful craftsmanship), I can attest that it is entirely reasonable for a bare basic Survivor with absolutely no idea what they’re doing to craft a stone pot using nothing but what the game asks you to collect.
Though, I spent 'bout a day’s work making mine, I honestly believe 20 minutes is fair and reasonable considering that, by default, an entire season goes by in-game in all of what, 14 days?.

[Alpha]

at the Rainbow festivals in 2013 me and my friends forgot to bring a large pot to boil water in so we resorted to boiling water small amounts at a time and pouring it into bottles with stone bowls we made, They are surprisingly easy to make if you got the patience and they dont break down the middle in the last few strikes you make on it.

[Chiko]

[quote=“elauminx, post:15, topic:5762”]One word… Pottery!

water -> river -> clay -> …,
eai[/quote]

_>

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Steals idea

This is actually easy to implement with modding. Clay could be used for a number of items other than containers, I like. :3

[Binky]

Ah sarcasm, my old friend. Unnecessary.

Yes, some sorts of rocks could be chiseled away at to make a basic bowl to heat in - many could not due to weakness/sediment and the like. Similarly, most native americans/ancestors used stone boiling where they put heated stones into wooden bowls filled with water - this is a much more viable method and much easier to do.

More than anything though it trivializes an aspect of survival which is normally one of the most complicated parts of it.

[elauminx]

[quote=“Chiko, post:21, topic:5762”][quote=“elauminx, post:15, topic:5762”]One word… Pottery!

water -> river -> clay -> …,
eai[/quote]

_>

<_<

Steals idea

This is actually easy to implement with modding. Clay could be used for a number of items other than containers, I like. :3[/quote]

You, cheeky-sneaky bastard !-p
But if you DO get it into the mainline game you shall be absolved.

Pottery is a simple and obvious idea, with lots of potentials;
I’m surprised it hasn’t been mentioned before in the context of the stone cup silliness.

[me=elauminx]always RPed as if stone cup was actually “clay-like”,[/me]
eai

[kevin.granade]

More than anything though it trivializes an aspect of survival which is normally one of the most complicated parts of it.

Finding a bowl is one of the most complicated parts of survival? If anything there should be all kinds of things you can use for water containers lying around.
Or did you mean water purification in general? In that case the problem isn’t access to bowls, it’s the one-size-fits-all clean water recipe. I’ve had more in-depth water contamination handling on the todo lis for over a year now, but it just hasn’t bubbled to the top of the priority list for anyone.

[Blackopsman9999]

What if the character heats up pebbles and boils water with hot rocks?

[Binky]

[quote=“Binky, post:22, topic:5762”]More than anything though it trivializes an aspect of survival which is normally one of the most complicated parts of it.

Finding a bowl is one of the most complicated parts of survival? If anything there should be all kinds of things you can use for water containers lying around.
Or did you mean water purification in general? In that case the problem isn’t access to bowls, it’s the one-size-fits-all clean water recipe. I’ve had more in-depth water contamination handling on the todo lis for over a year now, but it just hasn’t bubbled to the top of the priority list for anyone.[/quote]

I meant water purification in general. Mainly this is because lighting fires that can boil water (and making sure you can mount things like a bowl over them) is (and should be) a lot easier to do than in real life, so I feel there needs to be some pay off, as at the moment water boiling (with three rocks) makes it trivial to the point where we may as well just make all water clean.

[Goombah]

What if the character heats up pebbles and boils water with hot rocks?

I do think creating hot rocks ( a key strategy in cold weather survival) ought to be doable.