# Disease comes back

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681>\
**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [December 19, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681 "2017-12-19T15:54:35Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![\_k1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/_k1/32/1335_2.png) [@\_k1](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/_k1)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/1 "2017-12-19T15:54:35Z")

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For months, my survivors never get any cold or flu.

Now they get cold now and then. Is it fluke or changed mechanism?

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**Author:** ![psyxypher](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/psyxypher/32/11778_2.png) [@psyxypher](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/psyxypher)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/2 "2017-12-19T16:39:53Z")

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Probably from decreased health. Eating specific foods (such as anything in the Junk Food category, or mutagens) will lower your health, and make you more susceptible to cold and flu. The best way to avoid this is with the Leukocyte Breeder System, otherwise, find a way to increase your health. I actually don’t know any way to do this, but I think Dandelion Tea is supposed to help.

EDIT: The “Self Aware” Trait allows you to tell what your Health Stat is whenever you wake up or activate the trait.

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**Author:** ![Zhilkin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zhilkin/32/3749_2.png) [@Zhilkin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zhilkin)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/3 "2017-12-19T17:35:30Z")

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That’s winter. 😉

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**Author:** ![proxiehunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e68b1a/32.png) [@proxiehunter](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/proxiehunter)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/4 "2017-12-19T19:03:28Z")

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Flu shots, gama globulin shots, and multivitamins increase health right?

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**Author:** ![Zanos](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zanos/32/422_2.png) [@Zanos](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zanos)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 7:25pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/5 "2017-12-19T19:25:59Z")

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> [@psyxypher](#):
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> I actually don’t know any way to do this, but I think Dandelion Tea is supposed to help.

Any healthy food will increase your Health Modifier, and your actual Health trends towards your Health Modifier over time. Fruits/vegetables are generally good for you, junk food, sodas, alcohol, and some smoked or jerked meats are bad for you.

Wearing environmental protection on your mouth I think also makes your more resistant to ambient diseases.

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**Author:** ![DeWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeWolf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/DeWolf)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/6 "2017-12-19T20:23:33Z")

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If it is still the case a gas mask will essentially render you immune to the flu.

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**Author:** ![TheZoneWizard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/thezonewizard/32/1397_2.png) [@TheZoneWizard](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheZoneWizard)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/7 "2017-12-19T21:12:10Z")

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Mask wouldn’t unless the filtration level was enough to block the virus in the air…assuming it was airborne to begin with and not tactile.

Wash your hands? Wear Gloves? An interesting idea from this thread, no? =)

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**Author:** ![DeWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeWolf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/DeWolf)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 9:17pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/8 "2017-12-19T21:17:22Z")

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In real life of course not. However in this game I presume the gas masks you find are rated for chemical and biological defense.

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**Author:** ![TheZoneWizard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/thezonewizard/32/1397_2.png) [@TheZoneWizard](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheZoneWizard)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/9 "2017-12-19T21:29:50Z")

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But why? There are many masks that are not rated for airborne diseases. Oddly enough you could use a standard 95 mask for cutting wood to help keep radioactive particles partially out of your lungs. Go figure -\_-

PS-But not from contaminating your skin =P

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**Author:** ![pisskop](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/pisskop/32/1327_2.png) [@pisskop](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/pisskop)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/10 "2017-12-19T21:32:25Z")

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if you are using pks rebalancing mod than health can be lost via temp inbalance and monster attacks.

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**Author:** ![\_k1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/_k1/32/1335_2.png) [@\_k1](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/_k1)\
**Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/11 "2017-12-20T02:42:04Z")

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Thanks for the advice and information!

I guess it’s winter! My survivor eats berry and then apple for the entirety of summer and autumn. He should be in good health.

It’s time to don the gas mask.

edit: royal jelly cures! Beakdog Wood River is going to put his mittens on those wiggling little bright bees…

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**Author:** ![vassock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/46a35a/32.png) [@vassock](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/vassock)\
**Post date:** [December 30, 2017, 11:09pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/12 "2017-12-30T23:09:05Z")

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How do you even get flu or other diseases like that? Those are person to person transmitted. Can they live on a dead body? I doubt it. If not, it shouldn’t even be possible to get sick like that except at the very beginning, like in the VBD start, which is an infection acquired prior to the cataclysm from human contact.

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**Author:** ![kuros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kuros/32/1788_2.png) [@kuros](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kuros)\
**Post date:** [December 30, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/13 "2017-12-30T23:43:40Z")

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Well, your own body hosts a number of viruses that you’ve developed an immunity to. If you’re feeling sickly due to poor diet and subjecting yourself to extreme temperatures, than it is entirely possible to get sick from the viruses that are already on you.

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**Author:** ![druidniam](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/druidniam/32/1368_2.png) [@druidniam](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/druidniam)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2017, 4:09am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/14 "2017-12-31T04:09:40Z")

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> [@vassock](#):
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> How do you even get flu or other diseases like that? Those are person to person transmitted. Can they live on a dead body? I doubt it. If not, it shouldn’t even be possible to get sick like that except at the very beginning, like in the VBD start, which is an infection acquired prior to the cataclysm from human contact.

Spanish flu was actually airborne. Several flues over the centuries have mutated into an airborne virus. Usually any flu pandemic can be traced to an airborne version of one.

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**Author:** ![vassock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/46a35a/32.png) [@vassock](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/vassock)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2017, 6:43am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/15 "2017-12-31T06:43:44Z")

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Yes, but that doesn’t mean it can indefinitely survive in the air. It still requires some proximity to a presumably living carrier. I doubt it can just live in the air for days and days, floating and waiting for someone to inhale it.

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**Author:** ![druidniam](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/druidniam/32/1368_2.png) [@druidniam](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/druidniam)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/16 "2017-12-31T20:11:15Z")

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> [@vassock](#):
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> Yes, but that doesn’t mean it can indefinitely survive in the air. It still requires some proximity to a presumably living carrier. I doubt it can just live in the air for days and days, floating and waiting for someone to inhale it.

The mycus can, why not a mutated version of the flu as the result of all the radiation and space time rifts? Suspension of disbelief here.

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**Author:** ![tarburst98](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/tarburst98/32/1355_2.png) [@tarburst98](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/tarburst98)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/17 "2017-12-31T20:47:35Z")

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if a virus can survive for moment then it can survive basically forever. a virus has no biological processes so it will just sit and wait for something to inhale it.

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**Author:** ![BorkBorkGoesTheCode](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/borkborkgoesthecode/32/2343_2.png) [@BorkBorkGoesTheCode](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/BorkBorkGoesTheCode)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/18 "2017-12-31T20:58:42Z")

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The current state of disease mechanics seems to be due to undeveloped NPC AI and a lack of spare processing power for NPC-to-NPC-to-Player infections

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**Author:** ![vassock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/46a35a/32.png) [@vassock](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/vassock)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/19 "2017-12-31T21:16:05Z")

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Not according to this:  
[https://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses-live-outside-the-body.aspx](https://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses-live-outside-the-body.aspx)

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**Author:** ![druidniam](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/druidniam/32/1368_2.png) [@druidniam](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/druidniam)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/disease-comes-back/14681/20 "2017-12-31T21:49:38Z")

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> [@druidniam](#):
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> Suspension of disbelief here.

> [@druidniam](#):
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> Suspension of disbelief here.

> [@druidniam](#):
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> Suspension of disbelief here.

If I repeat it enough it might stick.

Edit: For those who don’t even know what the hell I’m talking about:

> **[Suspension of disbelief](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief)**
>
> Suspension of disbelief is the avoidance—often described as willing—of critical thinking and logic in understanding something that is unreal or impossible in reality, such as something in a work of speculative fiction, in order to believe it for the sake of enjoying its narrative. Historically, the concept originates in the Greco-Roman principles of theatre, wherein the audience ignores the unreality of fiction to experience catharsis from the actions and experiences of characters. The phra The...

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