Did someone forget about pockets?

[Random_dragon]

That and the expansions to NPCs and z-levels. >.>

[jcd]

[quote=“jcd, post:20, topic:10715”]Is there anything i missed?

Only the fact that it’s the code, not the UI that’s holding things up.[/quote]

Haven’t forgot that, and i’m afraid i cannot back it up with a PR.
I have not enough time and brainpower for my thesis as it is
But at least with plausible ideas, someone else might find it worth it to work on it.

[Dampe]

[quote=“jcd, post:5, topic:10715”]what i would really love to see implemented for inventory is an adaptation of this:

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Is this Battletoads?

[Random_dragon]

Is this Battletoads?

No, it’s Mortal Wombat. :V

[Zireael]

jcd, your image host is terrible, “bandwidth exceeded”

[jcd]

jcd, your image host is terrible, “bandwidth exceeded”

it used to be ok awhile back… so i’ll have to move hosts

[Random_dragon]

Weird, that screenshot has been displaying fine on my end. >_>

[SioxGWolf]

[quote=“Random_dragon, post:10, topic:10715”]…but player characters aren’t multi-tile creatures.

We can’t all be dragons. o3o[/quote]
But, if under the surface, we treat it that way. They may not take up more than one tile in the world surface, but somewhere else it could be treated as it is.

[Thwap]

Is there any actual reason to worry about the inventory system any further other than sheer compulsive nitpicking? What do we actually gain from the game tracking which pocket your lighter is in?

[Random_dragon]

Is there any actual reason to worry about the inventory system any further other than sheer compulsive nitpicking? What do we actually gain from the game tracking which pocket your lighter is in?

The only benefit I see is the ability to drop a backback filled with items, DF-style.

Assuming we ape Dwarf Fortress in that regard, it would be highly useful, but the only real good reason to make the system more complex. <.<

[Valpo]

Say you are shot in to pocket x which is filled with nervous explosives----> fun

[Random_dragon]

That would be a bit too much Fun.

Being able to drop a backpack when jumped by an enemy, to lose torso encumbrance, and not have to pick everything back up afterward would be nifty. Plus that allows you more control, as autodropping stuff due to volume loss could make you dump something you were about to need. :V

[kevin.granade]

Is there any actual reason to worry about the inventory system any further other than sheer compulsive nitpicking? What do we actually gain from the game tracking which pocket your lighter is in?

Most people would call very nearly everything in this game “sheer compulsive nitpicking”, and most people are also idiots. But to answer the less pointless question you asked, you gain consistency. One side effect of this is what Random_dragon pointed out, “when you drop an article of clothing, the right stuff gets dropped with it”. Another effect is that large items would stop being impossibly split between a number of different containers, yet another is enabling features like quick and slow access to parts of your inventory. If you have spare rounds for your revolver in a shirt pocket or on a belt or bandoleer, you should have very fast access to them, but that fast access storage space is very limited, so you’d make tradeoffs about where different items in your inventory go based on how fast you need access to them. The same applies for holsters and sheaths, although they’re quite a special case, where with the inventory overhauled as I’m planning to do that kind of thing applies to all your storage, not just a special case here or there. For most characters, you’d just want to make sure your main weapons are always where you can get at them easily, and maybe maintain a bag of stuff you need to drop if you need to switch to melee, but some players might want to micromanage where all their stuff goes, and that’s a reasonable thing to do (as long as it stays optional, which it will).

[Random_dragon]

Yeeesss. Someday, I can drop a backpack when I’m in danger of being moose’d.

[Trihook]

I think it could work sort of like vehicle inventories work on the main game screen, 'cept, ofc, this would be an adaptation of it, for an inventory screen.

Each pocket would have its own carrying capacity, along with a max size reference S/M/L/XL (1:2:4:8) and you could move stuff around like you do with advanced inventory management. Being naked, only 2 slots for the hands would be available.
It would MAYBE need an ascii mannequin, with classical RPG style slots. Jagged Alliance 2 changed the available slots numbers and sizes depending on what the player is wearing.
Currently, CATA allows wearing multiple pieces of clothing over each other, like 3 sets of pants or whatnot. I don’t know how feasible it would be to limit it to one item of clothing per body part, per layer, so the inventory management becomes easier. If people really want to cart stuff around, they can always use a duffel bag or a cart.

@ 2/3 Helmet netting (S) : pack of cigarettes (2)
/H\

• v - 0.5/1 Mail carrier shirt (M): aspirin (2)
  || 2/4 Mail carrier shirt (S): aspirin (2)

• •  0.25/1 Cargo pants (X): aspirin (1)   //leg pouch
     2/2 Cargo pants (S): aspirin (2)        //pockets
    

etc.

Just to avoid confusion, the first x/x numbers represent how full is the slot, then the name of the garment it is on, then the max size the slot accepts, then the contents of the slot (pocket). all items in the example above are S (small).
It ca be prolly handled a bit better GUI wise, this is just a quick example.

[Arek_PL]

I do not think that its the way how to make it, mostly because player can wear few backpacks and others what You said in your post and changing it will make a lot of people mad. I still say that drop-down menu will be nice because it will work well with current inventory system (even it will be possible for devs to make it optional!)

[SioxGWolf]

I still like to see it happen. Being able to drag a body out of the way, with all things logically attached. Or fill a bag in the center of the room, then grabbing it in one hand, and running off. It could also make searching a little hard, perhaps optional if they wanted. They see the cloths and bags, but not what’s inside. plus it would be nice to take of my gear, get comfortable, and have a nice night in my shelter, then quickly just put on and go, instead of grabbing every single item I had. Throw things in bag, grab bag, put bag in trunk, drive off. But with the addition, I’ed add the ability to tie string to all polearms, and the logical things, and rifles. Would offset the inability to fit a spear in all the pockets.

"I have 5 pockets each with 4 volume, so why can’t I put my spear in them? I have enough volume!"
I have a feeling someone will, at least for a second, have a similar thought to this in their head.

[Malkeus]

Jcd’s redesign of the AIM system seems like it would be really easy to use and could easily be ignored if you wanted. But what SioxGWolf said about dragging a body with all it’s items still attached and things inside the pockets/bags…that would be amazing. It’s always felt a little strange when something dies and all their stuff falls off them into a pile on the ground. I hope that’s the direction an inventory overhaul takes.

I’m imagining killing a group of zombies, hauling their (still clothed) corpses into a pile, looting them and then dropping a match on it and walking away. Easy peasy cleanup, minimal keypresses. Combine this with being able to grab a body and drag it in the same way we grab a shopping cart and my immersion factor goes way up.

[jcd]

[quote=“Malkeus, post:43, topic:10715”]Jcd’s redesign of the AIM system seems like it would be really easy to use and could easily be ignored if you wanted. But what SioxGWolf said about dragging a body with all it’s items still attached and things inside the pockets/bags…that would be amazing. It’s always felt a little strange when something dies and all their stuff falls off them into a pile on the ground. I hope that’s the direction an inventory overhaul takes.

I’m imagining killing a group of zombies, hauling their (still clothed) corpses into a pile, looting them and then dropping a match on it and walking away. Easy peasy cleanup, minimal keypresses. Combine this with being able to grab a body and drag it in the same way we grab a shopping cart and my immersion factor goes way up.[/quote]

Conclusion: someone is needed who wants it enough to sit down and code an implementation.
I wish i had the time and drive to do it… maybe when i finish coding for my thesis so my mind won’t be overloaded with python code…

[SioxGWolf]

[quote=“Malkeus, post:43, topic:10715”]Jcd’s redesign of the AIM system seems like it would be really easy to use and could easily be ignored if you wanted. But what SioxGWolf said about dragging a body with all it’s items still attached and things inside the pockets/bags…that would be amazing. It’s always felt a little strange when something dies and all their stuff falls off them into a pile on the ground. I hope that’s the direction an inventory overhaul takes.

I’m imagining killing a group of zombies, hauling their (still clothed) corpses into a pile, looting them and then dropping a match on it and walking away. Easy peasy cleanup, minimal keypresses. Combine this with being able to grab a body and drag it in the same way we grab a shopping cart and my immersion factor goes way up.[/quote]
Thanks. Another use if burying a friend, respectfully clothed. Implementing is where it may be hard. I’ed love to work on it, but I can barely set up a decent loop, and I haven’t even looked at how this code works. I can think code, and can use other examples to try to find a solution. For this, all this, it’s all about treating the entity as a container, the clothing is contained in the entity, and the clothinng being a container in a container, where they contain the final object.Or we can forget that. The entity, upon death, will drop a container(the body) that would contain the clothing, which in turn is a container with the objects that were on the entity, along with whatever it was holding. The body,after a time, would then disappear and spawn an entity (zombie). The problem there is then transfering the clothing, the objects in the clothing, that where on the body when it disappeared, back to the entity. If I remove a bullet from the coat pocket, it won’t be there when the zom returns, as well when it dies again. if we arn’t careful, it could lead to an infinite item spawn.

I also see that we make lack the container definition, which would need work.

Can someone translate the idea into code?