Cutting Nodachis down into Katanas

Valpo · 2014-12-01T16:10:00.000Z

Who would want to violate a perfectly fine nodachi like taht? It never did any harm to you ? How could you even think of this?
You monster D:

On a more serious note:

The weapon would not be balanced anymore and the blade would have been dmged.
Thats a rather bad tradeoff.

But i mean you could do it so why not xD (poor nodachi)

FunsizeNinja123 · 2014-12-01T21:57:43.000Z

FrogVoice:

Or is that just some insanely dumb idea of mine?

Hacking apart a perfectly good sword? Stupid.

To make it smaller? A little bit less stupid.

jokermatt999 · 2014-12-01T22:29:24.000Z

It’d be easy to do. Take a look in data/json/recipes/recipe_weapon.json

Edit: huh, seems as if there’s actually historical precedent!

en.wikipedia.org

Ōdachi

An ōdachi (大太刀) (large/great sword) or nodachi (野太刀, field sword) was a type of traditionally made Japanese sword (日本刀, nihontō) used by the samurai class of feudal Japan. The Chinese equivalent and 'cousin' for this type of sword in terms of weight and length is the Miao dao, and the Western battlefield equivalent (though less similar) is the Spanish Espada Bastarda[citation needed] or Scottish Claymore. The character for ō (大) means "big" or "great". The dachi here (太刀) is the same as tachi (太刀...

KA101 · 2014-12-02T00:21:35.000Z

FunsizeNinja123:

[quote=“FrogVoice, post:1, topic:8153”]Or is that just some insanely dumb idea of mine?

Hacking apart a perfectly good sword? Stupid.

To make it smaller? A little bit less stupid.[/quote]

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You’re a ninja, the only time you’d have any use for a nodachi is disguising yourself as a samurai. It’s completely impractical for any sort of sneaking operation.

Catfoodbob · 2014-12-02T00:27:33.000Z

KA101:

[quote=“FunsizeNinja123, post:3, topic:8153”][quote=“FrogVoice, post:1, topic:8153”]Or is that just some insanely dumb idea of mine?

Hacking apart a perfectly good sword? Stupid.

To make it smaller? A little bit less stupid.[/quote]

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You’re a ninja, the only time you’d have any use for a nodachi is disguising yourself as a samurai. It’s completely impractical for any sort of sneaking operation.[/quote]

Not if you have a bag of holding, and any old trenchcoat would hide one just fine

FunsizeNinja123 · 2014-12-02T02:12:08.000Z

Catfoodbob:

[quote=“KA101, post:5, topic:8153”][quote=“FunsizeNinja123, post:3, topic:8153”][quote=“FrogVoice, post:1, topic:8153”]Or is that just some insanely dumb idea of mine?

Hacking apart a perfectly good sword? Stupid.

To make it smaller? A little bit less stupid.[/quote]

[size=18pt]![/size]

You’re a ninja, the only time you’d have any use for a nodachi is disguising yourself as a samurai. It’s completely impractical for any sort of sneaking operation.[/quote]

Not if you have a bag of holding, and any old trenchcoat would hide one just fine :p[/quote]

Yee boi

Anyway, If cutting down a nodachi gave you a separate item (You’re not gonna turn it into a katana, what with sword balance and all that) such as “cut down nodachi” I would be fine.

Natures_Witness · 2014-12-02T02:43:58.000Z

I’m pretty sure not even a trenchcoat is big enough to hide a nodachi. Also, nodachi->katana=no, but nodachi->sawn off nodachi would be okay I guess, although it would be a little unwieldy.

kevin.granade · 2014-12-02T06:01:56.000Z

Why would you possibly want to turn down this cutting power? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07kX3fwxQ0g

Datanazush · 2014-12-02T06:29:01.000Z

Kevin Granade:

Why would you possibly want to turn down this cutting power? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07kX3fwxQ0g

Now onto the actual stuff about swords and things: Cutting down a Nodachi wouldn’t really give you a Katana, the Nodachi is thicker and with a slightly different curve profile, meant to take advantage of an increased length and weight to serve as a heavy cavalry weapon. Ideally, you’d get a Cut-down Nodachi item.

That said it’s like 200% more feasible that a Japanese sword would be able to be cut down into a functional weapon than a European one doing the same.

Pthalocy · 2014-12-02T06:31:41.000Z

Rule number one: never store anything capable of puncturing a bag of holding, inside the bag of holding. The thing spills it’s contents inside-out like a vomiting wormhole, but mostly it just wrecks all your stuff.

As for cutting a sword shorter, I figure it’s kind of like sawing off a shotgun barrel? You win some, you lose some. Necessity will dictate if the tradeoff is worthwhile or a waste of a perfectly good weapon.

Coolthulhu · 2014-12-02T06:42:10.000Z

Pthalocy:

Rule number one: never store anything capable of puncturing a bag of holding, inside the bag of holding. The thing spills it’s contents inside-out like a vomiting wormhole, but mostly it just wrecks all your stuff.

SRD 3.5 says it ruins all your stuff as soon as it is pierced (“pierced” suggests that a needle should be enough).

Hague · 2014-12-03T00:17:55.000Z

Not to get too far off topic but SRD doesn’t really state much of what happens to the stuff after it rips. It’s not like it used to be where you could weaponize two bags of holding.

TheFlame52 · 2014-12-03T00:29:47.000Z

Hague:

It’s not like it used to be where you could weaponize two bags of holding.

TELL ME

KA101 · 2014-12-03T01:04:54.000Z

Kevin Granade:

Why would you possibly want to turn down this cutting power? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07kX3fwxQ0g

Sure, if you have to stay in the same tile for 10 turns focusing on your slash, like Bruce does there, I’ll let you bisect a hulk in one blow. You too can impress onlookers and get slow-motion replays.

(Mostly of you getting sent flying when it hulksmashes you, since you can’t both dodge AND focus on your slash.)

Purplewisp · 2014-12-03T02:05:59.000Z

KA101:

[quote=“Kevin Granade, post:9, topic:8153”]Why would you possibly want to turn down this cutting power? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07kX3fwxQ0g

Sure, if you have to stay in the same tile for 10 turns focusing on your slash, like Bruce does there, I’ll let you bisect a hulk in one blow. You too can impress onlookers and get slow-motion replays.

(Mostly of you getting sent flying when it hulksmashes you, since you can’t both dodge AND focus on your slash.)[/quote]
This. +Cut damage whenever you don’t move for a few turns while letting you cut down arrows or bolts and a bonus to dodging guns at point blank. Could be called Way of the Warrior or something.

FunsizeNinja123 · 2014-12-03T02:07:22.000Z

Purplewisp:

This. +Cut damage whenever you don’t move for a few turns while letting you cut down arrows or bolts and a bonus to dodging guns at point blank. Could be called Way of the Warrior or something.

No.

kevin.granade · 2014-12-03T07:14:05.000Z

Purplewisp:

+Cut damage whenever you don’t move for a few turns

This sounds like a martial style thing, and a fairly reasonable one.

Purplewisp:

while letting you cut down arrows or bolts and a bonus to dodging guns at point blank. Could be called Way of the Warrior or something.

FunsizeNinja123:

No.

Datanazush · 2014-12-03T09:01:49.000Z

Protip: Unless you’re actively attacking someones arms or otherwise disrupting their aim, you cannot dodge a gun at point blank.

That said, I’d like to see a bracing/hold-position based melee style. Especially for when/if leaping enemies stop leaping at random and actually do it to initiate an attack. Ideally it would give braced players a damage bonus or counter-attack against leaping or charging enemies.

Valpo · 2014-12-03T12:30:30.000Z

You can dodge someones aim though.

Purplewisp · 2014-12-03T15:02:36.000Z

[quote=“Datanazush, post:19, topic:8153”]Protip: Unless you’re actively attacking someones arms or otherwise disrupting their aim, you cannot dodge a gun at point blank.

That said, I’d like to see a bracing/hold-position based melee style. Especially for when/if leaping enemies stop leaping at random and actually do it to initiate an attack. Ideally it would give braced players a damage bonus or counter-attack against leaping or charging enemies.[/quote]
I probably could have worded the idea better, but then again I wasn’t expecting it to be taken seriously… The standing still thing would be separate from the other bonuses. Like Valpo said, you can see where they are aiming at point blank, so it should be possible to move out of the way right before they fired. Its probably simpler to just say you are interfering with their aim by attacking aggressively, but I don’t know how that would work code wise.

The other two abilities are purely there for some samurai theme and could easily be switched out. Maybe a spear or staff fighting theme would fit the idea better, and would have less overlap with ninjutsu (and sword techniques). Perhaps an ability that lets you set a spear to receive a charge?

Dodging bullets (or at least their aim) could be limited to cbm related reflexes if it ever becomes a thing.

Edit: Since tone is hard to hear on the internet, I would like to point out that my tone in the last post was intended as a joke since the idea is being taken seriously. Putting two ridiculous samurai moves next to the “focus to cut a hulk in half” seemed funny to me at the time… If anyone is interested in an actual samurai inspired martial art I can go look up some actual techniques. Iai would be the first ability, which lets you quick draw sheathed weapons.