Climbing trees to escape danger without using Z-levels

i2amroy · 2015-09-01T18:27:50.000Z

Random_dragon:

Then again, are we working towards making z-level support mandatory or optional like it is now?

Mandatory. It’s such an essential feature (and there’s so many later things that depend on it) without any real drawbacks, so it’s totally intended to be mandatory.

Also (at least in the area I’m in) the vast majority of trees really are more than 1 z-level, with probably 2 stories being the average inside most cities, with 3 or more in the national forest areas. (And even if they weren’t “escaping” wouldn’t really work on a 1 story or less tree because the zombies could still reach you anyways).

kevin.granade · 2015-09-01T18:30:10.000Z

It’s definitely going to be non-optional, the reason it is optional now is some of it is broken and inconsistent.
Once it is working properly overall, the option is going away and the code that allows it to be optional will be removed.

Random_dragon · 2015-09-01T18:57:38.000Z

Aw well, so long as we can get it working, we can be one step closer to Cataclysm: Dorf Days Ahead.

jaked122 · 2015-09-02T03:45:15.000Z

Random_dragon:

Aw well, so long as we can get it working, we can be one step closer to Cataclysm: Dorf Days Ahead.

It can’t happen without proper liquids support. We won’t be able to show the once dreary New England hamlets that the only proper way to deal with zombies is to add magma until it can be pumped, directed, and at last channeled at high pressures into wherever the problem lies.

Random_dragon · 2015-09-02T03:55:43.000Z

Also, why aren’t bone crossbow bolts a thing yet? Though then we could use tainted bone for naturally poisoned bolts…

CosmicKobal · 2015-09-02T11:07:08.000Z

Random_dragon:

Also, why aren’t bone crossbow bolts a thing yet? Though then we could use tainted bone for naturally poisoned bolts…

Liking this one

Or a tainted bo e knife/spear/arrowhead/dart/etc

Random_dragon · 2015-09-02T15:09:49.000Z

Exactly. I was thinking poisoned weapons could be implemented rather simply as an item flag that deals extra damage and other effects on hit, then ensure that zombies and other logically-immune monsters are unaffected.

Then we can surpass our goal of becoming Cataclysm: Dorf Days Ahead by allowing something even DF has yet to figure out. I oughta eat the modder that first added the useless “decorate weapon with frozen venom” reaction to Wanderer’s Friend, fucking every single WF derivative out there copies that recipe. =w=

CosmicKobal · 2015-09-02T16:02:19.000Z

I was beginning to like you Random_Dragon, but then you re-ignited my craving for Dwarf fortress and now I must track you down and clobber you upside the head with a drowned goblin!!

Sigh… Gnomoria and rimworld are also excellent games that I recomend to df or cata dda lovers

Random_dragon · 2015-09-02T16:16:03.000Z

Nyet. Still hungering for .40.25 to come out. ;A;

Now to get back on topic, I do wonder whether we’ll implement randonly-genned tree appearances, or a fixed appearance, once 3D trees are a thing.

CosmicKobal · 2015-09-02T16:24:49.000Z

I wasnt aware that 3d trees were even a planned thing.

Random_dragon · 2015-09-02T16:30:51.000Z

Expect 4D trees within he century. :V

kevin.granade · 2015-09-03T15:41:09.000Z

\[dwarfishness intensifies\]

Flowing magma and water is too much of a pain in the ass to implement, and this is a survival game, not a fortress-building game. Bone crossbows don't really make any sense.

CosmicKobal · 2015-09-03T19:23:41.000Z

[quote=“Kevin Granade, post:22, topic:10446”]

[dwarfishness intensifies]

Flowing magma and water is too much of a pain in the ass to implement, and this is a survival game, not a fortress-building game.
Bone crossbows don’t really make any sense.[/quote]

Bone ‘crossbows’ dont, but ‘bone crossbow bolts’ are totally logical

Random_dragon · 2015-09-03T22:08:05.000Z

Kevin Granade:

Bone crossbows don’t really make any sense.

Better than adamantine warhammers at least. But yeah, I meant the bolts, not the crossbow itself.

Catfoodbob · 2015-09-03T23:13:37.000Z

Random_dragon:

[quote=“Kevin Granade, post:22, topic:10446”]Bone crossbows don’t really make any sense.

Better than adamantine warhammers at least. But yeah, I meant the bolts, not the crossbow itself.[/quote]

adamantine warhammers are niegh usless because its the equivlent of whacking something in the head with a feather

Random_dragon · 2015-09-03T23:18:24.000Z

A warhammer decorated with roc feathers, however, is a thing of beauty.

kevin.granade · 2015-09-04T03:23:10.000Z

AFAICT making arrows out of bone is similarly nonsensical, I can’t find any references to making arrows out of bone. If someone can point me to a (non-game) reference indicating otherwise, I’d be happy to reverse my position on the matter

Random_dragon · 2015-09-04T04:22:11.000Z

Dang. Bone sewing awls, fishing hooks, etc. But projectile points…lemme see.

It’d still be more logical than carved plastic arrows. :V

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_tool

Can be good to take wikipedia articles with a grain of salt, but a good starting point.

kevin.granade · 2015-09-05T00:39:45.000Z

Points are totally reasonable, it’s the shafts I’m sceptical of. If it’s bone-tipped arrows yea it’s fine.

Random_dragon · 2015-09-05T01:10:48.000Z

We’d likely need rather specific bones to make shafts, yeah. As for bone tips, already got that in the recipe for field point arrows.

Bone-tipped crossbow bolts would make my day though.